TRon

I wish that were true.

He didn't stumble upon Joelinton like, he was pointing out his technical abilities like good footwork under pressure even before he put him in midfield. By all means you can have a go at him if you feel he's getting things wrong, but you have to give him credit for what he's got right.

We did better against Norwich with 10 men tbf.

How hard is it to find someone who can close down the opposition and pick a simple pass? I reckon you could take someone out of the under 21 side who would make a better fist of it. We've already seen a CF make it look much easier.

Some better supply and more players around him. We know he's good in the air, but they defended against him pretty well tbh. There was only two threats up front, Max and him, and once they nullified them, they didn't really have to worry about anyone else, most of our players like standing back and watching.

He's not exactly pulling up trees like.

Sort of agree with you even though I don't want to say it. Horses for courses man, it's wisdom down the ages.

He tried hard, at least we can give him that. He's just not very good. He won a couple of tackles I think, that's two more than Shelvey.

The players don't need lifting, they need to be binned and replaced. There's no other way out of this unfortunately.

He was so much better than the rest bar Joelinton, it was embarrassing.

That's a fair assessment, he wasn't great, but I don't really see what else he could do, he's a finisher who gets on the end of stuff. There wasn't really much for him to attack today.

I still refuse to contemplate going down, although if we were relying on this squad, then I would throw in the towel right now. We must bring in the players who can actually play football, we have the money....make it happen.

Miggy would be a waste of time, you need someone who'll pick up the knockdowns and plant them in the net. Almiron would just spin round twice and then pass it to the full back. Willock would be the one, but not sure if he even wants to be here right now.

Hope we can find another half dozen or so before the window closes then.

Sick of saying this now, but seems no one else sees it that way. As long as you can spray the odd fancy pass, then you are a quality player, regardless of the fact the opposition are running rings round you for 90 mins.

Thanks for reminding us. It needed to be said.

I'm no coach but I just don't see how that works if you want a team to be pressing high. It just seems impossible. Joelinton won the ball about 7 times from the opposition by pressing them today, so whatever else you say about his performance today, you can say he had a positive impact from a tactical POV. I can barely recall Shelvey winning the ball once.

Been saying this since back in the days of us taking Man U cast offs like Butt, it absolutely enrages me when we buy midfielders who can't run.

Every game he starts is costing us points. Two more down the Swanee today, we can moan about clubs charging too much for a replacement, but this is the result of hesitating.

They are in a sticky situation now. If he wants to play front foot football, they are going to need to back him and bring in another 4-5 players at least. This lot are barely capable of stringing two passes together, you can't play attacking football with such poor footballers.

If you haven't got the players to play the type of football you want, then you have to adapt to get results with the players you've got. How do you play a pressing game with Shelvey in your side?

Not really sure what he's trying to do tbh. I said it yesterday as well, but how do you play a pressing game with Shelvey in your side? I desperately want him to succeed, but he's shown very few game management skills so far. Watford looked better organised than us tbh.

Lucky we didn't get beat tbh. That was woeful. Still not sure how we took the lead in the first place, never looked like scoring.

Need to make sure we don't lose this.

Fuck off.