Mick

We've done it before, it was the same for Sir Bobby after playing Basle then wolves, Shearer and Sir Bobby went off it, Shepherd said we paid Rolls-Royce wages or something along those lines.

I think taking us from 2nd in the Premiership to 17th while putting the club into massive debt is no better than what our old directors were good at.

Excellent debut, we look as if we've got the keeper position sorted for years.

It’s certainly something that Fat Fred seems to find difficult, even though, with five managers in ten years, he's had a lot of practice. You'd hope he'd learn from his mistakes, but he seems to be getting worse at it. I thought you would have learned by now that you always back the wrong guy too Maybe he's just got better with practice, something Shepherd has been incapable of doing so far. Well, he's nothing but a WUM, as he's always been - as you know, which makes it even more laughable that you agree with him I understand your way of thinking, agree once, always agree. That'll be why you loved Freddy once so always will.

I responded to this above. With regards to your post on page 2 I was just annoyed by the whole 'Ooh look, i'll stick in a post about how everyone was wrong' tone. I didn't read the rest of the thread, no. Sorry about that. The lied comment was tongue-in-cheek; I know you don't care. It's similar to my feelings about your posts, I just bit that time. I'll try not to do it again. Don't worry Dave, I was right about Dalglish, right about Souness, right about Roeder (so far) and I'm right about Shepherd, stick with me and you'll do alright. but you loved the board who sold our best players for over 30 years and left us on the brink of the 3rd division, right ? You're wrong, again. I didn't love the old board, get your facts right, I don't think Shepherd is any better that's all. so you think buying England players and qualifying regularly for europe is no better than selling England players and looking into the old 3rd division :lol: classic ........ I see your putting your own slant on things again.

It’s certainly something that Fat Fred seems to find difficult, even though, with five managers in ten years, he's had a lot of practice. You'd hope he'd learn from his mistakes, but he seems to be getting worse at it. I thought you would have learned by now that you always back the wrong guy too Maybe he's just got better with practice, something Shepherd has been incapable of doing so far.

I responded to this above. With regards to your post on page 2 I was just annoyed by the whole 'Ooh look, i'll stick in a post about how everyone was wrong' tone. I didn't read the rest of the thread, no. Sorry about that. The lied comment was tongue-in-cheek; I know you don't care. It's similar to my feelings about your posts, I just bit that time. I'll try not to do it again. Don't worry Dave, I was right about Dalglish, right about Souness, right about Roeder (so far) and I'm right about Shepherd, stick with me and you'll do alright. but you loved the board who sold our best players for over 30 years and left us on the brink of the 3rd division, right ? You're wrong, again. I didn't love the old board, get your facts right, I don't think Shepherd is any better that's all.

I responded to this above. With regards to your post on page 2 I was just annoyed by the whole 'Ooh look, i'll stick in a post about how everyone was wrong' tone. I didn't read the rest of the thread, no. Sorry about that. The lied comment was tongue-in-cheek; I know you don't care. It's similar to my feelings about your posts, I just bit that time. I'll try not to do it again. Don't worry Dave, I was right about Dalglish, right about Souness, right about Roeder (so far) and I'm right about Shepherd, stick with me and you'll do alright.

bluelaugh.gif bluelaugh.gif It's funny that those who defend the man who appointed Souness are having a go at those who had no say in the appointment, work that one out if you can.

He probably can't but it must be true because it fits his argument. Edit: Shepherd Out

http://true-faith.co.uk/html/tbawe.htm It's worth a read. We're in the shit! You know it, I know it and no amount of spin from elements of the Freddie Friendly local press and their laughable happy-talk can disguise it. We are in a relegation scrap and that is what faces us this season. That is the reality of our situation. How did we get here? Well, at the risk of boring the bollocks (and tits) off you all, its because of an abysmal level of decision-making at the very top of the club, a complete absence of planning and strategy, appalling managerial appointments and a completely reckless investment of club money on so many players who have proven to be utterly and completely shite! I struggle to think of one club who has squandered so much money on so much over-paid garbage in recent seasons as NUFC yet have a board of directors who try and pass this off as a badge of honour and evidence of their commitment to Newcastle United. Its enough to make you fucking sob! We've done the explanation for the club's alarming decline to death and there are those in the tf bunker who can pin-point almost to the exact minute when our club started to implode - clue - Partizan Belgarde penalty shoot-out. But whilst there are those of you in the tf congregation of angst-ridden Mags who are seriously worried and depressed about the state of the club, the time has come for some-one at the club in some position of executive authority (i.e. not the manager) to stand up, take responsibility and show some genuine and strong leadership. This means more than wheeling out Sir John Hall for the benefit of the back page of The Chronicle to spout some shite about being "just a fan". Sir John isn't in any position of responsibility at the club at the moment on a day to day basis. And he's nothing like being "just a fan" as I would understand the term. Please spare us the patronising horse kak! His son, Douglas is a director of the club but we have heard nothing from him in this last week. Hmm. Likewise Shepherd. According to he Chronicle, Shepherd's wife has been ill (but he doesn't want the sympathy vote - right!). According to the Sunday Sun, Freddie Shepherd was in Majorca on holiday whilst we played Charlton and Douglas Hall, so I believe, was not at SJP on Saturday either. Leadership? So then, at a time when Newcastle United is facing possibly the biggest challenge as a Premiership outfit, the club had no main directors at SJP for one of its most vital encounters of the season. I will apologise unreserverdly if that was not the case and publish a retraction if that statement is incorrect. true faith has made it plain we regard the current hierarchy of the club as a busted flush. Shepherd has had nigh on a decade as Chairman, has had huge resources at his disposal and free-reign to hire and fire but NUFC has gone backwards on his watch. He and neither can the Halls can absolve themselves of responsibility no matter how much they wish to do so. Its time for a new energy, direction and new ideas at NUFC. The current mob have got nowt to offer in my opinion! Like every other supporter out there, we are keen to find out what Belgravia has to say, what their plans are and how they will involve and effect us. We know they aren't Geordies but as the likes of Lord Westwood-Gordon McKeag-Stan Seymour-Sir John Hall-Freddie Shepherd et al have all been sons of the Tyne it doesn't appear that having the right bona-fide Tyneside birth certificate necessarily imbues the occupants of the boardroom with a knack for running our football club correctly. As for having a manager "with a feel for the club", well, Jack Charlton and Willie McFaul certainly had that but bombed badly as well as Roeder increasingly looks like he's doing. We want to know what Belgravia are thinking about and we'd happily meet them (sometimes we get a bit above ourselves at tf you know) and listen to them off the record and have something of an idea about what's going on, if they really want the club and what their aspirations are and why they want in at the House of Pain! We've had no contact whatsoever. We've been asked in e-mails from the Tyneside tifosi, so let's have that on the record, no-one from Belgravia has contacted anyone at true faith and what we know about what is going on with the take-over we pick up second hand from the press. So then, for the time being we're stuck with Shepherd and Hall. They need to sort themselves out sharpish and start displaying some leadership qualities, start getting behind the manager (and not with daggers drawn to stick in his back) and pull out all of the stops to keep our club afloat. We are in a relegation dog-fight. There are some of you who think we are too good to go down. That's bollocks. If we don't win football matches and get points on the board, we will go down and no amount of squealing about it will prevent that. Newcastle United has no pre-ordained right to be in this division. Just because we have loads of supporters and a big shiny stadium and players paid a fortune does not mean we have the right to stay in The Premiership. We have to score goals, win football matches - all of that stuff. We have to earn our status! Have a look at Leeds, Sheff Wed, Wolves and The Mackems - all of those clubs have a self perception of themselves as part of English football's gliteratti yet all of them are in a lower division to Reading, Wigan, The Beasts, Watford, Fulham, Charlton, Bolton and Blackburn who have made up for what they lack in prestige and profile with sound investment, good management and the correct decison-making. Newcastle United is crying out for strong leadership at every level of the club's activities from the Chairman down to the tea-lady (who we hear will do her bit anyway). No-one can hide. Everyone needs to stand up to be counted. Shepherd can start the ball rolling by sorting the players we need to keep this club afloat when the transfer window opens in January (what he should have done in the summer), the players need to give fucking everything on the park and some of them need to start acting like proper athletes outside the game as well if rumours we have had passed to us are correct. Glenn Roeder is facing his sternest examination of his career as a manager. He will know if he gets this wrong he'll never manage at this level again. There is no place for bottle-merchants at Newcastle United from now until May. Its going to be shit, we're scrapping for every point and the football will not be what we think it should be from a Newcastle United side. The ascetics of our performances have to be forgotten about. We just have to fight for our just and righteous cause! We have to play our part by getting behind the players in every game we play. But at the same time we can agitate for those men who have brought us to this position to fuck off out of Newcastle United. They have let us down badly and they have no right to continue to have the responsibilty for the stewardship of our club, regardless of what it says on their share-owning, because frankly, if supporters walk away from Newcastle United, there is no club. Keep On, Keepin' On... Edited to add content

Bias, as in Shepherd is not shite but Ellis is, even though Ellis has a better record of finishing higher than Shepherd. bluebiggrin.gif Shepherd is not to blame for our current situation, the managers he appointed are. bluebiggrin.gif Shepherd does not sell players behind the managers back, Bobby Robson must have lost his marbles. bluebiggrin.gif Shepherd is not responsible for our £12 million loss, that's down to Souness, it's got nothing to do with the bloke who signs the cheques. bluebiggrin.gif That list could go on.

Probably the hardest hitting article yet: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/sport/football.html?in_article_id=413605&in_page_id=1779&in_a_source= Put a pony on Roeder winning sack race Stuart Pearce wants a 'sacking window' in which managers can only be handed their P45 at a prearranged date in the season. It's a nice try, but an idea that has about as much chance of being adopted as his daughter's 'lucky' toy horse has of winning the Grand National. Pearce even complains that speculation about a manager's position is 'easy journalism'. He might have a point, but he is shooting at the wrong target. The real danger stems from a club board looking for an easy fix. Up at Liverpool one director is busily blabbing to the media that Rafa Benitez is in trouble. At West Ham, an insider is keeping everyone briefed on how many games Alan Pardew might have left. While someone within Pearce's camp is counting down the number of matches he will be given to turn things around. They are all equipped to emerge from their current plight, but only if their directors hold their nerve. The one who has real reason to fear is Glenn Roeder. He is employed by Newcastle United, a club with a dismal history of hiring and firing everyone except the men responsible for making these appointments in the first place. Worse still, these same sack-happy directors have just posted annual losses of £12million. The Newcastle Evening Chronicle regarded as the media mouthpiece of Freddy Shepherd, says that the chairman "has no plans to relieve Roeder of his duties at this moment in time", that time presumably being lunchtime. But since Shepherd enjoys lining his pockets with Newcastle's cash, I'd advise the likeable Roeder to wait a while before mapping out his speech for the club Christmas party. That's not easy journalism. That's from the toy horse's mouth.

your point is ? Long shot but im gonna have to go with: True Faith are backing the Shepherd out campaign That's at least two who have come up with the same guess.

your point is ? His point is probably that True Faith want Shepherd out, that's just a guess.

The difference is something else and I'm sure we both know what it is. blueyes.gif

Very mature. When Dogleash took the job, nobody yet knew what kind of chairman Fat Fred would turn out to be. Several disastrous appointments, stupid public gaffes, and ill-timed managerial sackings later, only a few deluded souls are in any doubt about what kind of chairman he is. It should be obvious to the poorest fool that this is one big part of the reason why no top managers want to come here anymore. why aren't you mature enough to answer the first part of his post instead of clipping it ? Do you think the bit at the top and highlighted was mature? Or does it not matter when its your "mate."

Shola might be shit but we're hardly better off without him than with him at this time, we need goals and he's capable of getting 1 or 2.

It's been going on for three seasons now, this season, all of last season, and part of the one before, what a mess.

I was and still am against his appointment, Roeder is not good enough, never has been, and never will be good enough to manage this club. I still think people didn't understand the negative effect Souness had on the players and fans while manager. Roeder did nothing more than put the right players in the right positions and stopped moaning about injuries.

You could have posted a link to the original thread, it would make interesting reading.

Is it more valid if you repeat yourself? Not that I've got a clue as to what you're on about. Likewise, your post above is a total nonsense. Anyway, just answer the point(s) in my post, you don't have to be mentioned specifically, you know. I notice you also have no comment in relation to the link I posted to a comment of mine made last May, a comment that laid out my thoughts on Fred and the appointment of Roeder. You've also made no comment that I've seen in relation to my agreeing with Dave, or least Dave agreeing with something I posted about when Souness was appointed. You either can't keep up or you only select what suits you at the time. What points are you asking to be answered? The post from May doesn't need commenting on, you seem to have set a target at which point you think Shepherd should go but you seem to absolve him of any wrong doing so far, that's the way I read it. As for selecting what I respond to, yes I do, I'm sure nobody replies to every post on here, I know I don't.

For a start, why bring Jesus into this, are you about to claim that he appointed Souness? Words like "the sooner you and your ilk accept that you've got what you wished for the better you'll feel" tend to point the comments towards me, I guess English isn't your strong point. Nobody has said that Shepherd was the only one who wanted Souness, he may or may not have been. What has been said is that Shepherd appointed him and he did, or are you about to tell us that he didn't. As for the enlighten bit, old dog and new tricks.

Is it more valid if you repeat yourself? Not that I've got a clue as to what you're on about.