Stevie

Them or Villa 1982.

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JUSTICE MEEEEEEEEEEEELAAAAAAAANNN MMEEEEEEEEEEEEEELLLLLLAAAAAAAAN Liverpool were probably the better side which makes it all the better for me, justice has been done after 2005. Liverpool's support tonight.....proved they're the most plastically supported bunch of wanks not just in English football, but also World football, absolutely shite, we made more noise in the Charity Shield. Carragher "world class/best defender in the Premiership/top bloke etc..." I could say unlucky scousers, but Everton weren't playing. I'd say unlucky Liverpool, genuinely I wouldn't mean it though.

Putting "Chelsea is our name" on the tannoy YCNMIU

Right final predictions: At least 10 references to their shit support being TGFITW. Score: Milan 1 Liverpool 2 sadly

Exactly! Support Huddersfield ya fat prick. Same as that Badgeman, born Glasgow, lives Wakefield. I hope they've locked Michael Shields in his cell for the night with no telly. Forza Milan http://www.tribuneindia.com/2003/20030530/sp1.jpg

Hamann on, greedy bastard.

Tyldsley "and it appears a portion of the Liverpool fans are leaving the stadium, I must say they have been muted." Fickle cunts.

I think only an idiot could suggest those figures are reliable. For one I guarantee we have double the support Spurs do in this country, and Middlesbrough at least double Sunderland's support We'd be above Chelsea for definite, and in this country probably Rangers too, and obviously Tottenham.

From the age of 7 I've never been away from SJP. I think Jol should just pm certain people his ITK stuff to save himself from further embarrassment.

ITK's are saying that Spurs will announce next week (when the Premiership season has ended) that Bent will be joining when the window opens. £8/9m is what they're saying. How accurate that is we'll find out next week. It has the normal standard of accuracy of your ITK information. FWIW I;ve never fancied Darren Bent, he's certainly noy bad, and his goalscoring record is impressive, I don't know why but he's never left me as awe-struck as his goalscoring record would suggest it should.

Lat Monday the world class ITK that is Martin Jol said Darren Bent was having a medical at Tottenham. Regarding Sibierski, technically he wasn't bad, and he gave his all for Newcastle, but at his age I don't think he had the athleticism to strike fear in to opposition defences on a regular basis. He seemed to have a major lack of flexibility in his body, but I wish him well, and he was certainly not a foreign mercenary and seemed someone who was genuinely honoured to have played for us, I wish I could say the same about some of the more talented French players who have turned out for the toon down the years. His highlights were his goals against Fenerbahce and Villa, but for me his best moment was the outrageous flick against AZ for Dyer's goal which was sublime to say the least.

If there's any JUSTICE.

It wasn't in Turin was in Cesena, I think we lost 3-2.

I've heard that area's around Glasgow, like Motherwell, Wishaw, Falkirk, Largs, Kilmarnock and Ayr have a bigger problem with sectarianism than Glasgow itself and on a match day more incidents occur in these places.

Forza Milan.

And thats the point I was getting it. It was not aimed specifically at NE5 its just that anytime any of the Old Firm are mentioned on here they are all tarred with the same brush. Take my points on face value SM. They are nothing more or less than that. I am disappointed that you have not replied to my reply. In my experience the vast majority of Rangers and Celtic supporters - however good lads they are - have an attitude which engulfs bigotry. They may not realise it, in fact they don't. I'm not castigating them for it if they know nothing differently, I'm pointing out the problem, which is deeper and outside of football. I suspect you know this already, so why not admit it instead of defending it ? I don't like NUFC playing these shitbags, and I think all other clubs should avoid them too and alienate them for this reason. I think that its all about standards. For instance, if someone, or some sets of fans, made racist comments or whatever, the rest of football would take them to task for it. I think the obvious support, bigotry, and backing of terrorists is 10 times worse. Sorry Leazes/NE5 but that is alot of bollocks where the f*** am I defending it? I am however defending those thousands of supporters who want to support a football club and are there for footballing reasons only. Seeing as you are doing your standrad "answer my question", to my knowledge seeing as I go to Newcastle games not Old Firm ones no not very often you will hear IRA or bigoted songs anymore. Both clubs have taken a string stance on it and are being pro active in the battle against bigotry and people are being banned etc if found to be singing these songs, The Rangers chairman has recently stated he would ban all supporters from away games if found guilty of continuing. However that is irrelevant, I am aware there is a percentage of bigots on both side, christ I live in the West of Scotland, my point being is that all too often these clubs and many of their supporters are generalised and unfairly too. Richie, every away game you will hear, sectarian songs, not so much Celtic but Rangers all the time. Follow Follow we will follow Rangers, up the Falls, Derry's Walls we will follow on, Dundee, Hamilton, fuck the pope and Vatican, and if we go to Dublin we will follow on. << Every single game

It's not the point is it? Every cunt else is reducing prices, you can get in at Man Utd for £23 a game.

List of clubs who are significantly reducing prices: Everton Bolton Wigan Boro Man City Blackburn any more?

I've just noticed that this second. The fuckin jokers. What about new season ticket holders??? The likes of Everton, Bolton, Wigan, Man City and many more are reducing the season ticket prices, some by 40% yet these cunts won't even give a partial discount? Fair enough the demand for tickets here is overwhelmingly greater than the above clubs, but this is still a disgrace. We'll get at least £30m extra off SKY next year, surely £2m could easy have been put aside to reduce prices especially given the fact of how utterly shite last season was. Wanks.

My fondest memory of football as a kid is seeing the old floodlights which spelt out A V across the city. That and the Victorian splendour of the steps up to the old Trinity Road stand, which was genuinely one of the monuments of the old game. Gone, like the old Holte End holding 23,000 standing. Kids today don't know the half of it. The hideous scoreboard episode you refer to was one of Ellis' more out of touch ideas. And there were plenty of them, believe me. If you ever wonder why we seem so optimistic of late, just think what it must have been like having that c**t run your club for 30 years. I never understood the abuse Deadly Doug got. For starters if Shepherd delivers the CL one day, I'm sure he'll have a statue, which will cost fuckin loads mind the size of the c***. Ellis won the EC during his first season as manager. You came second twice, and in 1989 to 1998, he always gave great financial backing along the way, and also giving you a secure financial footing. I remember reading Villa were never in debt with him at the helm, would you prefer if you'd had a chairman like Peter Ridsdale? I'm not one of the people who thinks he was an unmitigated bad thing. He saved the club from bankruptcy in 1968, that is a fact. His first spell there was largely successful. He appointed Ron Saunders who built two championship winning quality sides, one which did win it, one which didn't. However, your post gets one thing seriously wrong. Ellis was not at the club when we won the league in 81 and the EC in 82. That was during the spell when he had been ousted (79-82). Since then, there has been barely any recognition around the ground that we were European champions. Purely because the chairman wasnt there at the time. Can you imagine any other club doing that? No pictures even, nothing. He never gave great backing, either, that's another myth. We were the experts at "almost signing" people, we'd be linked with everyone, but not sign them as he'd quibble over small change (we missed out on Robbie Keane from Cov over 100k). He was happy for us to finish top 6 (pre CL days), but almost never prepared to spend the extra to make the final push, hence the second - sixth places. There was one occasion when he did back the manager with real cash, sadly that was John Gregory who spent 5m on players like Steve Stone. Oh, and our very own Albert Luque, Bosko Balaban (7m, 8 appearances, 0 goals). One thing he did do is ensure that we remained debt free, which given the reasonable results achieved in the premiership (until the last 3 or 4 years), was an achievement. He also sold to Lerner and appointed MON, two of the best things he did for us. He ran the club like a corner shop, a personal fiefdom, though. Put it into perspective - when you were signing Michael Owen, we were sending Erik Bakke back to Leeds as we couldnt afford his wages. You might be in debt, but at least you took a punt and had a go. He held the club back for far too long, and I'm just relieved he has gone. Fair enough. The not having pictures of 1982 thing is a disgrace. However, the key thing I disagree with is with regard to financial backing. Look at your 1996 side. Southgate cost a small fortune, Milosevic was about £3.5m etc...etc... Merson £6.5m at 31 afew years later... etc... you can't say he didn't give decent backing. You certainly spent more than the likes of City and Everton.

My fondest memory of football as a kid is seeing the old floodlights which spelt out A V across the city. That and the Victorian splendour of the steps up to the old Trinity Road stand, which was genuinely one of the monuments of the old game. Gone, like the old Holte End holding 23,000 standing. Kids today don't know the half of it. The hideous scoreboard episode you refer to was one of Ellis' more out of touch ideas. And there were plenty of them, believe me. If you ever wonder why we seem so optimistic of late, just think what it must have been like having that c**t run your club for 30 years. I never understood the abuse Deadly Doug got. For starters if Shepherd delivers the CL one day, I'm sure he'll have a statue, which will cost fuckin loads mind the size of the cunt. Ellis won the EC during his first season as manager. You came second twice, and in 1989 to 1998, he always gave great financial backing along the way, and also giving you a secure financial footing. I remember reading Villa were never in debt with him at the helm, would you prefer if you'd had a chairman like Peter Ridsdale?

The true measure of a club is in how many fans they take to SJP, is it? You're obsessed, man, obsessed. Obsessed by what? Villa are inconsequential to me, but the fact is MO'N clearly states we're a bigger club than Villa, but stating the fact that, that's what where he wants Villa to be, howay it doesn't take a genious to work out. NUFC has bigger fan base than Villa, Bigger Stadium hence, More money (i'm not sure after Villa's takeover)...In terms of prestige, I'm not sure which club is considered bigger in terms of achievments...I wouldn't say NUFC has achieved a lot...but I don't know how much compared to Villa... There was a bloke on Talksport the other day, I know, I know, full of mongs. However, this bloke was an articulate QPR fan arguing that the toon were indeed a big club, he said just being in Newcastle on a match day as an away fan had the hairs on the back of his neck standing up, and he said he could understand why the vast majority of footballers would love to play for the club. That's just one point of view. Whenever I've been to Villa, I've often wondered if they would actually fill their ground if they were a CL club, there's no vibe about the place at all, like there is when you go to Anfield, or even when you go to somewhere like Rangers. A few points to consider re differing matchday experiences .... 1. Newcastle is a much smaller city than Brum, miles smaller. The club is bound to form a bigger part of it. 2. Stop someone in the streets in Newcastle and ask them who they support, and you know with almost certainty what the answer will be. Stop someone in Brum and ask them and they could be Villa, Blues, Albion, Walsall, Coventry, Wolves .... there are three clubs within the city, let alone within the conurbation. 3. Villa Park is in a suburb of the city. SJP is right in the centre of the city. That makes a difference. Walk around Newcastle city centre on a matchday doing your shopping and you'll see loads of fans - because a. the ground is IN the city centre and b. the city centre is smaller in the first place. Walk around Brum centre on a match day and you will see far fewer for the opposite of the reasons above. 4. No vibe around Villa Park? What about history? There aren't many venues with more history than VP, even if the oldest of the stands is now only 30 years old (and itself to be demolished soon), the location oozes history. The ground is built in the grounds of a stately home, as if to emphasise it. That's why the matchday experiences are different. Oh, and as for hairs on the back of the neck standing up, the matchday experience *everywhere* these days is utter, utter s**** compared to years gone by, including SJP I'd agree in general but the lad was on about his experience of the city and the walk up seeing the ground on the hill. First time I went to Villa Park the Holte End was still standing, WAS 100% better then, and it was nearly full, I remember the scoreboard in the corner of the old stand would say "VILLA!" and everyone would chant "VILLA!" "VILLA!" "VILLA!".

But he didn't reject Newcastle for Villa though, did he? As I said, he is widely considered to have done so, although the absolute truth is not known Widely considered by who? I don't doubt he turned the Newcastle job down, however it was well reported at the time he was holding out for the England job, we waited for him for so long while the FA dragged out the whole process but in the end we had to move on so we appointed Roeder. After that O'Neill failed to get the England job and made it known he was ready to step back into management, later that summer Villa were as good as taken over and O'Leary was swapped for O'Neill. Not once was he ever put in the position where he had to chose between Newcastle and Villa as both job opportunities came months apart, it would be fair to say he rejected the Newcastle job in the hope of him landing the England job though, would he have accepted the Villa job if the circumstances were the same as when he rejected the Newcastle job? My personal opinion is he wouldn't of but we'll never know. Is there ANY proof MON was offered the toon job at ANY stage? No there isn't, and I don't care what anyone says if he has a choice between the Toon and Villa, why would he go there? Honestly? The same bloke who said Houllier was on the phone trying to get the Newcastle job said it. Can't recall that.

The true measure of a club is in how many fans they take to SJP, is it? You're obsessed, man, obsessed. Obsessed by what? Villa are inconsequential to me, but the fact is MO'N clearly states we're a bigger club than Villa, but stating the fact that, that's what where he wants Villa to be, howay it doesn't take a genious to work out. NUFC has bigger fan base than Villa, Bigger Stadium hence, More money (i'm not sure after Villa's takeover)...In terms of prestige, I'm not sure which club is considered bigger in terms of achievments...I wouldn't say NUFC has achieved a lot...but I don't know how much compared to Villa... There was a bloke on Talksport the other day, I know, I know, full of mongs. However, this bloke was an articulate QPR fan arguing that the toon were indeed a big club, he said just being in Newcastle on a match day as an away fan had the hairs on the back of his neck standing up, and he said he could understand why the vast majority of footballers would love to play for the club. That's just one point of view. Whenever I've been to Villa, I've often wondered if they would actually fill their ground if they were a CL club, there's no vibe about the place at all, like there is when you go to Anfield, or even when you go to somewhere like Rangers.