Doug

'Kids games' and 'caring about the result' as Keefas said. Now therein those two phrases is the root cause of what is wrong with football in our country. Kids should not have to care about the result. If I had my way I would ban coaches, ban parents and put floodlit all weather fenced in vandal proof pitches on every housing estate with free balls supplied and just let them get on with it. Jumpers for goalposts for the 3rd millenium if you like. The money is in the game to do this, Redistribute some of it away from the pockets of the elite few (and agents) at the top and back into grass roots. Give it 10 years and you,d have more footballers for your winning teams to satisfy the coaches (for it is they who want the medals not the young kids). Only then they can teach them to play their two touch football and the shift the ball quickly stuff after they have been left alone to develop the ball skills through the joy of playing for fun with their pals. Sick to death of the greedy and misguided idiots ruining our game. Doug.

The difference with Villa is they have a crop of good home grown youngsters from their excellent youth policy. It is a good job we have a few points in the bag. This team we have could go down, some of the results have shown relegation form, it really is that bad. Still sick to death Doug

How can you give 120% ? If someone gives 100% these days you think they are lazy b**tards. Slackers! btw we will lose convincingly tonight. Save your excitement for Saturday. Sick to death Doug.

Arsenal should win at a canter. Sadly, they need only play their reserves. We have players at the fag end of their careers who are there on reputation only. In my opinion the likes of Butt and Viduka do not have the pace, energy or work rate to live with Arsenals mesmeric passing and movement. Personally I find it hard to watch anymore. The pain of 5 decades of domestic failure has reduced me to being a miserable bastard at weekends. Why cant there be a patch to wean you off it like smokers can get. Sick to death Doug.

Relegation form. Succesive three goal margin home defeats losing to out of form Reading. Losing to Derby ffs. Am I the only one who is amazed that Butt has pulled on a shirt again after the game at Derby? I am having the feeling of relegation foreboding I had just before Souness was sacked. It could happen if things dont change quickly.

Another club who never recovered from having big useless Ron atkinson as manager spending all their money.

To all who may have looked at the back of the Sun today. Remenber, any article on our club in this paper or its national Sunday accomplice TNOTW is written simply to shift more copy and is likely to be no where near reality. I am more convinced than ever that the Cockney tabloids have an agenda to see our demise. They would never do this with their beloved Spurs for instance.

Overhyped by the London press. I never believed any of it for one minute. Hope we do the double over them again. A reprise of one of our vintage 7-1 thrashings would be nice.

Paper talk, he will probably play next week. But if not...., So Man Utd might not win the league so easily. Hordes of armchair Man U "fans" may be dissappointed. I may not be able to sleep tonight with the worry of it all. Ha Ha Ha

Stop Dyers wages now! Most of us would have our money stopped if we were not available for work. I would have been sacked ages ago if applied myself like he does. Illness and injury are one thing but this joker has no sense of committment or pride to repay employers who have set him up for life. Dont forget it takes many of us 4 years to earn what he will have picked up just last week! He deserves all the crap he is getting off fans who can see him for what he is, as far as I,m concerned.

I thought the point of an autograph was to represent proof of an intimate albeit fleeting liason with the celebrity concerned. Is this not negated and a waste of everybodies time by lumbering them with stuff through the post. Seems a bit pointless to me.

We all know there would be no trouble with atmosphere in our ground if there was a team playing on it like the Mancs have to watch. Conversely if they had not won a domestic trophy for 50 years they would have an empty ground with only a few souls from Salford turning up. I wonder if there is a parallel universe where this is happening. I want to go there now.

It is now over fifty years since we won a major domestic honour. I wonder what sort of crowds Liverpool & ManUtd would be getting today with that sort of unenviable record. 50,000+ ? I think not Radio 5 live held a text vote this morning inspired by our latest failing to suggest who were the greatest sporting underachievers. Not surprisingly we were highest up on the list along with such company as Tim Henman, England, Scotland, Spain etc. I have learned now never to build my hopes up ever again. That way you can stay calm and not get into emotional mud slinging about who is to blame. It is something too long standing and deep rooted within the culture of the club to put right by lashing out at single individuals. I fear we are doomed to never win anything in my life time as I was born in 1956 the year after the last of those domestic trophy successes. What a cross to bear. At least I can't be accused of being a glory hunter !!

Chelseas ground is in Fulham, or is it fulhams ground in Chelsea I always get that mixed up.

Man U & Liverpool = legions of glory hunting nonfans + Success in Europe = more lost generations of bandwagon jumping glory hunters. Lets support them in Europe then. COUNT ME RIGHT OUT .

Shame, because Gates has the ideal face for radio.

Viduka is past it now, I've seen milk turn quicker!

1Harry Roberts is our friend, 2Your going home in a f*****g ambulance 3 He's a w** a w** 4 Boot boys we are mental we are mad (still No1 song unbelievably) 5 Your just a town of P***s 6 Your gonna get your F*****g heads kicked in 7 Hes only a poor little hammer 8 In fact include anything obsenely insulting our hosts or visitors These are what they should be singing still I think not, More songs like Geordie allouette please would be preferable and fun. IMHO

Nothing is more sickening than our insistence on singing en masse the appalling geordie boot boy/mental mad hooligan song from the 70's which dominates more than the Blaydon Races still even after all these years. The last away game I was at was Everton away and the witty dittys were S**t ground S**t fans and your the S**t of Merseyside. It made be cringe. How you can tolerate this sort of embarrasing stuff while cryticising someone just having a laugh with an innocent song like the one in the thread title dismays me,and says a lot about the hostile mindset of the modern football fan which has not changed as much as it should have done since the dark days of hooliganism.

I have just driven past Macclesfield Towns ground and read that on a massive sign outside the main entrance. Looking after the fanbase of tomorrow, well done Macclesfield. Take note NUFC board members when you are looking out on the half empty stadium tomorrow night.

They have to make it affordable then it will fill up. I would pay the petrol money and make the long round trip from the midlands with my 2 lads if I was not going to be mugged for the cost of tickets to get in.

Good call skirge but a more forward type of wingback such as Duff or Zoggy on the left. You want 8 bodies forward to play in the opponents half not half your team hanging back. Get one of the massive centre backs to drive forward also wth the ball when they pick it up. The much (unfairly by us) maligned Bramble can do this, it would be the making of him. He could knock people over on his way through and get away with it. (tin hat on)

Leeds Magpie ! Spot on, you stole my team. (toss up between Duff N,Zogbia) whichever is on form.

One of the most perplexing things of course is that a large percentage of them (like Man Utd & Manchester) have no connection to Merseyside. Riddled with Gloryhunters.

I would play the three of them with nobby and duff/baba as wing backs.