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  1. Rijkaard being lined up apparently.
  2. Liverpool league form irks Steven Gerrard By Tim Rich Last Updated: 7:31am GMT 28/02/2008 Have your say Read comments Liverpool's culture of domestic underachievement has come under fire from Steven Gerrard , who has insisited that not even winning the Champions League would make up for another season without a genuine title challenge. Telegraph TV: Football and Premier League highlights In pics: Premier League action | Liverpool homepage Although the Liverpool captain's attitude might alter if should he lift the European Cup in Moscow, he spoke for many at Anfield when he argued that the league was now more important than European success. Gerrard was scathing about their target of finishing fourth to re-qualify for the Champions League, which the Liverpool manager, Rafael Benitez, now accepts is the limit of their domestic ambitions. Falling short: Steven Gerrard takes issue with Liverpool's form "You don't get any prizes in football for finishing in second place, never mind fourth," said Gerrard. "I don't think the fans would accept fourth as an accomplishment and for me it is not nearly good enough. Even if we do finish fourth, it doesn't mean we have had a good season. "We have to have bigger ambitions than that. The only way we can fulfil those ambitions is in the Champions League and I am not going to pretend that even winning that trophy - and we are a long way from that at the moment - will make up for the disappointments of the league campaign. I am pretty gutted every time I look at the league table and see the gap between ourselves and Arsenal at the top. "We believed we had the players to challenge for the title; we wanted that more than any trophy available to us. I still believe we have the squad to be a hell of a lot more competitive than we are now." Some will read these words as a direct attack on Benitez, a manager he is not as close to as his predecessor, Gerard Houllier. In an interview in the club's magazine, Gerrard does go on to say that Liverpool "have the stadium, the manager and the players to compete for the Premier League". However, it will hardly count as an endorsement of a man who after winning two La Liga titles at Valencia has not mounted a serious championship challenge on Merseyside. advertisement Gerrard's remarks that he is becoming increasingly tired of promising fans that this will be Liverpool's year may be a hint that three years after turning his back on a move to Chelsea, he is again looking beyond Anfield. He has been linked with a move to Real Madrid. "I am getting tired of saying the same thing over and over again," added. "We can't keep talking about 'next season' all the time. There are only so many times you can say it and believe it. Sooner or later, we have to do the talking on the pitch. "We need to make people believe it. I am 27 now and I don't want to be talking about 'next season' when I am 32. We have no chance if we are always out of it by the first week in January." Gerrard said the disputes between Benitez and the club's American owners had "made it easy for those in the media who don't like Liverpool". "It has not been a good situation for anybody," he added. "It is sad so much of the club's business has been conducted in public. The club I grew up supporting always did its business behind closed doors."
  3. exactly what stuck out for me too, and its not like Kevin at all to say something like that or intimate that he has signed on the dotted line with no idea of what ambition the club has KK's way of getting away from the issue being pressed by whoever was asking the question in my opinion. If he said he'd discussed it or they talk about it all the time the speculation would increase tenfold, speculation that can be distracting and where the media are concerned, pure bullshit most of the time. There is no way money and transfers haven't been discussed yet. In fact KK will have know from day one what's available and if what I've heard anyway, there is no specific limit. If he wants a player the club will try and get him that player, if he wants more money, the club will look into it, which is the way it should be. ...and if the money isn't forthcoming you think he'll walk?
  4. His generation growing up in Spain means he must speak some English.
  5. Gerrard does bitch at the ref an awful lot. Though no more than Shearer did tbf... Plus 'Carra' hands on fucking hips and diving with his arms out on block tackles if people are shooting on their goal. How many fucking saves has he made this year??!! Cunt.
  6. The reason Liverpool players rarely get cautioned or sent off is that Gerrard normally officiates their matches.
  7. They haven't got the balls, self-awareness or humility to run a club steeped in tradition like Liverpool. Quicker they fuck off the better.
  8. Everytime Harper plays he looks shite. If only he was a bit more motivated. FYP.
  9. Everytime Harper plays he looks silky. If only he was a bit more motivated.
  10. Offer what they paid for him and hope he's home sick, it's a starting point and probably our only selling point to him. I think we as fans are looking at the fallacies of the club entirely wrong, i dont doubt for one second that money needs to be spent, but the figures being bandied about are ridiculous, we need to be aiming for the top half before we go looking for Europe, its about expectation and the higher we raise the expectation the more sensitive the trip wire becomes. Personally i would be happy to see the club cement a top half finish before we go making proper strides into the top 6/7. If we go about spending huge amount of money, and only achieve a top half finish, what effect does that have on the club and its fans? Personally i dont think it'd be particularly healthy. We havent seen a team yet play anywhere nears its potential, i dont buy into this the whole squad is shit, deep down everyone at this club knows that there are some excellent players at this club, we need to be punching our weight at present. Look at the effrect that heavy investment had on Tottenham, it needed a set up to get them flowing inthe right direction, and they are now in a posotion of power because of it, i genuinely belive that brining in 7-10 new players will do more damage than good. I just still think this talk of heavy investment a bit kneejerk, i know we are in a very poor position, but we have had a stupid run of fixtures, i genuinely belive that this club could be transformed with 3-5 max, players. Who are the 6-8 first team players who are good enough, for you? And what happens when one of them gets injured, or two of them, or three. Our "first team" players are supposed to be: Given - flaky, still top 6/7 for next season/one after? Probably. Beye - Seems pretty good, not a brillaint defender. Top 6/7? Yes. Carr - Fuck off. 6/7? Fuck off. Faye - only an idiot thinks he's a "beast" so far. Seems alright, needs to iron a few errors out. 6/7? Hopefully. Taylor - has a number of things to iron out, imo can become a good defender. 6/7? Hopefully. Cacapa - vastly over rated. 6/7? No. Enrique - unclear whats happened to him. Not a good buy, it seems. 6/7? No, not on showings so far. Duff - weak, doesn't drive forwards, ineffective. 6/7? No. The Zog(at left wing) - our best left winger by a country mile. 6/7? Yes. Barton - Has been poor, pretty consistently. Also scum. 6/7? On current showing, No. (and please fuck off). Butt - fuck off. Geremi - fuck off. Milner - not the fastest, but not as slow as some would have us think (no slower than Solano, really). 6/7? Hopefully. Smith - rubbish. Rubbish in the middle. Rubbish up front. 6/7? No. Owen - Past his best, not arsed, not fit, no service to him. Still clearly has ability, but not world class by a long chalk. 6/7? Yes. Martins - Very, very flawed. Extremely fast, but its no good making random runs. 6/7? Possibly. Viduka - Slow, fat. lazy. Well past his best. 6/7? No. So, imo, what we have is: YES x 3 (ST, LW, RB) PROBABLY x 1 (GK) POSSIBLY x 1 (ST) HOPEFULLY x 3 (CB, CB, RW) NO x 6 (CB, LB, LW, MC, ST, ST) FUCK OFF x 3 (RB, MC, MC) We WERE mid table crap for the past few seasons. Allardyce put things in place to bring us down to the level we now are. We do not want to be looking for mid table safety next season, we need to be looking to get back to the top 6/7 without delay. And to do that, we need some serious investment. Mind, anyone who thinks we can prise the likes of Carrick away from teams like Man Utd is an idiot. We need to look at what teams like Citeh have done with their buying, or get a great manager in. I'd go with all of that NM, with the caveat that Zoggy will end up in the full French side soon.
  11. My mate at Coutts says the medium term value of the business is £260m. An interested party buying now (£200m) would have a profit in 3-5 years.
  12. Another manager comes and goes at the toon, achieves bugger all and leaves with his trousers stuffed with so much cash he has to be carried off in a removal van. Different face, same story but I’m trying not to feel too sorry for Allardyce; the millions will dull the pain of his dismissal, as will the luxury holiday in the Caribbean shortly before his next lucrative job offer. Not that I’m bitter, I just wish I could get that kind of contract for my own job. Unlike his predecessors Roeder and Souness, I didn’t greet his appointment with dismay (or in Souness’s case, dismay, disgust, disbelief and nausea, the whole shebang). At the same time, I didn’t particularly like Allardyce’s style of football at Bolton and, to be frank, I thought he was a whingeing egotistical git. However he had the reputation of a meticulous planner and organiser, someone who could rebuild the foundations of the club which was badly needed, and eradicate the injury curse which had bedevilled us for seasons. I reckon many people felt the same way; given the state of the club, Allardyce wasn’t so bad (Bolton after all had just qualified for Europe) - maybe even the best we could get given the state of the club - and should be given a chance. So, as the bellboy famously said to George Best (as he laid spreadeagled on a bed covered in cash next to Miss World), where did it all go wrong? It was all so different when Big Sam breezed into town, confidently predicting that he would get the club back on its feet with his methodical approach, vast backroom staff and use of sports science. Eight months later, his fat arse hits the toon scrapheap with a resounding clang and we are left scratching our heads wondering what the hell went wrong. Here’s my take: 1. The demise of the Axis of Evil (aka the Halls/Shepherds) No doubt to Allardyce's dismay, the club changed hands barely before he’d had time to unpack his medicine balls and chewing gum. In retrospect, one of the key reasons he was appointed by Freddy Shepherd was probably his ability to wheel and deal in the transfer market; the club was after all heavily in debt and transfer funds would be limited pending an upswing in the club's fortunes. Mike Ashley on the other hand had plenty of cash for the right man to spend on his new plaything; unfortunately Allardyce was not Ashley's man. As a result, whilst Ashley wiped out the clubs debts, the club stalled on signings in the summer - which Allardyce complained about at the time, claiming that the change of ownership had lost him many of his key targets - and only a modest amount of signings were made which were largely funded through player sales (the net spend was only 7m or so). The clear message was therefore “prove to us that you’re the right man to spend the big bucks”. Sadly Allardyce was unable to do this in many ways. Whether the impetus for his dismissal was a row with Ashley over cash for transfers, the style of football or the lack of results, Allardyce was never likely to get the same patience from Ashley that he would have had from Freddy Shepherd. 2. The dodgy transfers Allardyce deserves credit for clearing out much of the dead wood of previous administrations with the likes of Moore, Bramble and Luque hoyed out amidst much rejoicing by the faithful. For cancelling Babayaro’s contract alone, I will shake his hand if I ever meet him (provided he hasn't read this), and my only regret in this respect is that he didn't get round to our other perma-crock Stephen Carr at the same time. However the squad was already thin in numbers and with transfer funds evidently limited, he needed to bring in quality at a cheap price, something he was renowned for at Bolton. A plethora of new signings were duly made before deadline day with the likes of Beye, Cacapa, Rozenhal, Smith, Faye, Enrique, Geremi and Viduka coming on board. On paper, these players seemed just what was needed towards adding strength and depth to the squad. However, how many of these players has really done the business for us over the 24 matches he was in charge? Possibly only Beye and Faye emerge with any real credit; for the rest, they have either needed to settle in (Cacapa, Rozenhal), lose weight and find some bloody motivation (Enrique, Viduka) or play in their proper position (Smith). I'm sure he will feel that many of his signings let him down. And then there’s Joey Barton. Allardyce will have staked a huge amount of personal credibility on Barton’s signing, citing his successful record with bad boys like ‘Le Sulk’ Anelka and El Hadji ‘I spit in your face pigdog’ Diouf. Barton repaid Allardyce’s faith in him with indifferent displays on the pitch – at a time when we desperately needed him to fire – and by getting banged up over the festive season on charges of assault and battery (Happy New Year Sam, love Joey). It’s difficult to imagine that Ashley or Mort were impressed with his advocacy of Barton given what happened and what it said about Allardyce’s judgement. That’s like the chief engineer on the Titanic attacking a passenger with a monkey wrench and getting locked up in the brig with the iceberg looming. Nice one, Joey! Given all of the above, with the new transfer window in full swing, it seems that Mike Ashley was not prepared to bankroll another round of Allardyce’s signings. It’s not difficult to see why when these are likely to be expensive signings rather than free dips into the bin ends of smaller European clubs. 3. The results A win ratio of 33% was never going to good enough to keep him in a job (Roeder got 40% for God’s sake!) but more tellingly it was the nature of our defeats that counted against Allardyce most. Allardyce’s football philosophy seems to be that you 'win ugly' with percentage football – long balls pumped into the 'right areas' to win throw ins, corners and free kicks, scoring scruffy goals from set pieces – unfortunately more often than not, he only managed to lose ugly. Worse still there were some embarrassing results – losing to Derby and Wigan for instance, or the total shoeing off Liverpool – where we bent over and bared our cheeks before a ball was kicked. While initially results were good (notwithstanding an embarrassing reverse at Derby), as time went on, the results got steadily worse. All the time, Allardyce refused to budge from his mantra of percentage football, stopping the opposition playing (regardless of whether they were any good), picking his favourites regardless of form or position, or making any concessions to entertainment. Perhaps more telling was the lack of ambition showed against the basement opposition, with a lucky draw at Sunderland incensing many fans in particular due to his tactics and team selection. This, I believe, proved to be dangerous when the owner stands with the fans to watch the match. All of this would not have been an issue if Allardyce had got the results he needed, but the repeated spectre of a team in disarray, pumping the long ball forward and mustering precious little goal threat over the 90 minutes was always likely to be fatal against a backdrop of losses and lucky draws and a downward trajectory in the league table. Little wonder then that he was vulnerable when the paying customers booed the team off the pitch at home and away, and even memorably booed Allardyce when he caught the ball. Personally, I do not believe that Ashley was unduly swayed by the fans’ poor opinion of Allardyce, but fan hostility added to unacceptable results and boring football usually adds up to a P45 in the world of football. For me, the most disappointing aspect was that there was little sign that the team was actually improving, notwithstanding that we seemed to be making clear progress in reducing the injury list and having a fuller squad to pick from than Roeder or Souness. The Holy Gospel according to the Press, Premier League managers and TV pundits (many of whom are Allardyce’s mates) is that he should have been allowed much more time to get things right. However, if the team is going backwards, the punters are walking out 20 minutes into the second half and the football’s dreadful after 8 months of intensive coaching, you might be tempted to conclude your manager doesn’t have a clue how to sort things out. 4. Player power Strong rumours have persisted throughout the season that Allardyce had lost the dressing room. These rumours cited differences over tactics, team selection and favouritism, with senior players in open revolt over Allardyce’s emphasis on stopping the opposition from playing and percentage football. At one point, it was felt necessary for certain senior players to issue a press release denying the truth of these rumours. Then there was the issue of the players travelling rather than being at home over the Christmas period, where Allardyce it seems was forced to back down in the face of player pressure (thus ironically allowing Barton to go out on the lash). It was however notable that Allardyce became more and more openly critical of his own players as time wore on. Surprisingly he admitted that many of his new defensive signings were not his first choice, as if he expected the men in question to be flattered by this admission. Then he began to pick on individual performances and name players he was disappointed with – when have you ever heard Ferguson or Wenger criticise their own players in public? Finally towards the end of his reign, he openly said he was not happy to place his trust in the players he had to safeguard his position. Hardly a vote of confidence in his own team then. Of course, the players continued to make positive noises about ‘being right behind Big Sam’, but often the lacklustre performances on the pitch suggested otherwise. My impression was that all was not well between manager and playing staff and in these days of player power, a manager who loses the dressing room tends not to be employed for long. Perhaps we’ll have to wait for Michael Owen’s autobiography to learn whether there was any substance in the rumours. 5. The Panorama effect Freddy Shepherd was hastily booted out of St James’ Park and his corporate box was cancelled. The gossip at the time – which has not been substantiated in any way – was that this was connected with allegations of impropriety over the transfer of Boumsong and the police raid on the club in connection with these. At the same time, Allardyce was Shepherd’s pick and had allegations levied against him in a BBC Panorama expose of football’s murky world of transfer dealings involving his son at Bolton. To date, those allegations have not been rebutted as far as I'm aware and Allardyce has maintained a determined boycott of the BBC in response. Whilst Allardyce denied any wrongdoing and to date has not been charged with any offence, it may be that a scrupulously proper City lawyer like Chris Mort would be troubled by the association with Allardyce. To my mind, this would not be a decisive factor in any move to dismiss Allardyce, but would be another reason for his card to be marked. You may find it ironic that we then chased Redknapp, but then he was never really fingered by the programme and he certainly was never Shepherd's man. 6. Clash of the Titans Finally, the impact of egos in all of this cannot be underestimated. Ashley and Mort are very successful businessmen who are not used to people saying no. Indeed, Ashley is noted for ‘parking his tanks on the lawn’ in business situations to get his own way, and the manner in which he comprehensively outmanoeuvred Freddy Shepherd in buying the club illustrates the decisive and impulsive way in which he does business. Allardyce by the same token has complete conviction in his footballing methods, and a precondition of accepting the manager’s job was that he would be allowed to run things as wanted. Whilst he has been allowed to make the changes to the coaching, scouting, training and medical set ups at the club that he demanded, it does not seem too far fetched to imagine that there was a ‘come to Jesus’ meeting with Mort and Ashley at which certain demands for improvement in performance and results were made, which Allardyce refused to accept or acknowledge. Indeed, it is probable that Allardyce continued to maintain that all was rosy in the garden when the evidence was obvious that the whole garden was riddled with blackspot and greenfly and needed to be burnt to the ground. Allardyce probably felt secure enough for the remainder of the season to put forward a ‘back me or sack me’ line, believing that he would turn it around eventually. In Wild West terms, at that point Ashley kicked over the table, drew his gun and filled Allardyce with lead, with Mort left as the undertaker. In retrospect, I reckon Allardyce was a man who simply could not hack it in the white hot cauldron of pressure that is Newcastle. Certainly there seemed to be a palpable sense of relief about him once it was over, despite his claim of crushing disappointment at leaving. I've even heard it suggested that he hastened his own departure on purpose, the idea being that he was only too glad to get away with a bumper pay-off, a large dollop of sympathy from the press and his reputation intact. Personally I don't buy that; Allardyce has always struck me as a man of convinced of his own ability, unshakeable in his belief in himself and his methods, the man who should be managing England. Whilst he will be relieved to be out of the firing line, and the money will no doubt soothe the pain somewhat, I don't think he will be happy about failing - although I doubt he will blame himself, as usual. In the meantime the club's been royally savaged on all sides for its apparent presumption in sacking Allardyce after 24 matches, when apparently with more time and backing he would have been just as good as Ferguson or Wenger. Or even David Moyes perhaps! Now, you can criticise the timing of the decision and the fact that no-one was lined up to replace him, or even the lack of ambition in pursuing Harry bloody Redknapp, but in my opinion all the time in the world would not have made Allardyce a top class manager or Newcastle a top side in his hands. We would have had a nice empty stadium though. Say what you like about Allardyce, his sides are by and large terrible to watch, and Mike Ashley is a man who likes to win and have fun doing it. Exit Not-So-Big-Sam-After-All, tail between legs. Overall, I believe that Allardyce was sacked because he was not Ashley’s man and the results were not good enough. The fact that his teams played awful football and he was unloved by the fans and players did not help, and I am sure that his unwillingness to compromise hastened his departure. Worst of all, it seems obvious now that he was dismissed on impulse without a better alternative being signed, sealed and delivered to take over. As we look back on this whole sorry episode therefore, it will seem to the seasoned observer that not much has changed since the haphazard hire ‘em and fire ‘em days of the Halls and Shepherds, and we have not learned from our past mistakes whilst the rest of the footballing world hoots with delight. God help us all. Kitman. http://www.newcastle-online.com/ Comments on front page appreciated.
  13. They fell out about 3 months ago apparently. It is believed over issues reg the restructuring of loans, the stadium and what to do about Benny. Pretty much everything then..ho ho.. I think on some levels they never had the commitment that a club like Liverpool deserves and imo never fully understood the football business. I don't think these 'types' are good for our game.
  14. Tom Hicks and George Gillett to sell Liverpool By David Bond Last Updated: 7:31am GMT 26/02/2008 Liverpool's American owners, Tom Hicks and George Gillett Jr, are understood to be just weeks from agreeing a deal with Dubai International Capital which could see the club change hands for the second time in just over a year. Telegraph TV: Football and Premier League highlights Liverpool homepage | Football fans' forum In pics: Premier League action After months of fraught talks, DIC are increasingly confident that they will not only reach an agreement soon with the Americans but also with the two banks, Royal Bank of Scotland and Wachovia, who have just completed a £350 million refinancing of the club. We're out: Liverpool journey over for George Gillett Jr and Tom Hicks DIC's advisers have set themselves a deadline of the middle of next month to conclude the first part of a two-stage takeover process which, when complete, will be worth between £400m and £450m and includes provision for the club's increased debts. In the next few days bankers working for DIC, the investment arm of the Maktoum royal family, are expected to be granted permission to start examining Liverpool's books with a view to tabling a formal offer. Gillett, whose relationship with Hicks has broken down, will be first to sell out and is understood to have already agreed in principle to offload his 50 per cent stake. But Hicks is refusing to sell out in one go. In the short term, at least, he is expected to remain on the board. advertisement DIC plan to dilute his holding, initially by injecting further funds into the club to not only cover the new 18-month bank loan but also to help pay for the proposed new stadium and buy players. DIC want to secure a deal where Hicks sells out completely later on. Having spent the first part of last week in Dubai, where he was seeking new backers for his US investment company, Hicks Holdings, he then flew to London on Thursday for two days of talks with DIC's advisers. One potential stumbling block is the exact nature of the initial shareholder agreement between DIC and Hicks. It is understood his demands to retain control of the club following Gillett's exit have been rebuffed. Under the terms of the £220m takeover deal concluded by Hicks and Gillett last February, no partner can sell out without first offering his 50 per cent stake to the other. Hicks has tried to raise the money to seize complete control but with the credit crunch hitting his businesses, he has failed. If DIC succeed, they will aim to restore stability to a club after a period of unprecedented turbulence.
  15. Yanks to sell out to Arabs within the next few weeks. Might be a let off for Benny.
  16. It will be something like that as Chez alluded to earlier. KK won't let the summer go without exploring all opportunities.
  17. If we build it Dave they will come. We will have to offer gazunka wages for one or two top performers, but we'll have to bite on that for now.
  18. People aren't looking at the wider eventualities. Rozy, Zoggy, Owen, Enrique and Emre will leave in the summer and poss one other will be deemed defunct ie Viduka. So we will be 5/6 players down even before the spending begins. Zoggy may well recoup £6-7m (ballpark) but we won't get more than £10m for the rest combined if we're lucky (does Owen leave on a free??). Setting aside strikers for now, re-building the heart of the side ie the midfield and left side (Enrique and Zoggy) is where the £30-35m net will go. 2CM's 1LB 1LW 1CD £50m (£30m net) Then of course we need to step up a level from where we are now so we need to add a RW and a world class striker/back up striker. (replace Owen and Viduka). RW FW FW £40m If KK is looking for at least one top tier forward he will cost £20m ish. If we're seriously targeting top 6 this is what we'll need to spend and then another £100m the summer after if we're looking to challenge for top 4. Talk of £30m net etc is bollox will get us nowhere fast. *I haven't even inc a new goalkeeper.
  19. I never take a brolly because I'm not a ponce. I've got faith in Keegan's investment nouse, and cut-throat approach to his players (see Andy Cole). Have you told him you don't want him spending much yet? [ahaahahaaha/] Judging by the transfer window, he's already on my wavelength. Have you told him he has to spend £100M in the next window irrespective of the quality of player he can sell the club to? Reckon he can get us into the top 4 on less? Nope. I don't think we'll be in the top 4 next season either though. I doubt anyone thinks we'll be in the top half, unless we start buying some talented players. I'm still waiting for HF's "winnable games". Don't worry Nicos there should be one or two coming up.
  20. I never take a brolly because I'm not a ponce. I've got faith in Keegan's investment nouse, and cut-throat approach to his players (see Andy Cole). Have you told him you don't want him spending much yet? [ahaahahaaha/]
  21. We're playing catch up. Regardless of what we've spent in the past not spending significantly very soon will see us falling further behind. People are talking like they never leave the house without an umbrella cause they got rained on once. [HappyFace/]
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