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i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. Why might it have become unorganised? Buck stops with the manager for that, obviously. The lack of consistency, due injuries etc, in our back five has been a contributing factor though. Yeah. It's odd though isn't it. Our defending's gotten worse but so has our attacking game. Begs the question what do we actually work on in training. It's not set penises Aye, it's baffling how we/he have gone backwards so dramtically. The unsettled nature of the season hasn't helped, and I do genuinely believe he's massively struggled with the additional games. He's a 'details' manager, and he hasn't had the time available to get his message accross to the players. If anything, I think he, as a manger, was even less prepared for Europe than the squad was. We did still get to the quarter finals, like, so that shouldn't be forgotten. I'd go one step further and say he's a 'details of the opposing team' manager. Hence quotes like 'when he's got the ball, that's his world' about HBA. From watching us I imagine that to be his approach with all our players, just try and score without moving out of your position. The EL was fun but lets not kid ourselves, we got past one team that were any good. Splitting hairs a bit, but I don't disagree. However, I obviously don't have as much of an issue with that approach as others. I think, with players like HBA, there isn't too much wrong in ensuring that he's doing his bit for the solidity of the team, while being given free reign to do what he does best when required. With regards to the EL, granted, there wasn't a great deal of stellar opposition. But you can only beat what is in front of you. You can only beat what is in front of you, credit is due based on the strength of the opposition you beat, we beat one good team My problem is the players aren't given free reign. By his own admission Pardew's 'world' is what happens when his team don't have the ball. Due to this, when we do have the ball the players aren't allowed to move anywhere. I disagree, quite strongly, with your flippant dismissal of our performance in the EL. Considering the teams we put out, until the latter stages, I still believe we did extremely well to get as far as we did. In bold, that's quite a confused assumption based on the quote you posted previously. There's no way we're working enough on our attacking shape and movement, but I can't quite get on board with an accusation that he deliberately informs the players to rigidly stick to positions when attacking. Then we just see completely different things when watching the team, which is fine. I'm likely to come to confused assumptions, I'm really confused by how he's got good players playing as such a poor team.

Exactly, people are lead to believe we did well in Europe. Who the fuck did we beat? Anzhi as good as Chelsea? This was bound to happen, like. It's exactly the same as how last season is being treat. That's more to do with the way we play than results.

He gets credit Ian, but it has to be relative to the achievement.

I can't think of anyone standing out all season in terms of overall performances. Seriously, who's going to bid for anyone we have with the sort of crazy money we'd accept given that they've all been a shower of shit. Maybe Krul? But he wouldn't want to leave. Other than Colo I can't foresee any major outgoings. Prices usually come down when the player wants to leave.

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. Why might it have become unorganised? Buck stops with the manager for that, obviously. The lack of consistency, due injuries etc, in our back five has been a contributing factor though. Yeah. It's odd though isn't it. Our defending's gotten worse but so has our attacking game. Begs the question what do we actually work on in training. It's not set penises Aye, it's baffling how we/he have gone backwards so dramtically. The unsettled nature of the season hasn't helped, and I do genuinely believe he's massively struggled with the additional games. He's a 'details' manager, and he hasn't had the time available to get his message accross to the players. If anything, I think he, as a manger, was even less prepared for Europe than the squad was. We did still get to the quarter finals, like, so that shouldn't be forgotten. I'd go one step further and say he's a 'details of the opposing team' manager. Hence quotes like 'when he's got the ball, that's his world' about HBA. From watching us I imagine that to be his approach with all our players, just try and score without moving out of your position. The EL was fun but lets not kid ourselves, we got past one team that were any good. Splitting hairs a bit, but I don't disagree. However, I obviously don't have as much of an issue with that approach as others. I think, with players like HBA, there isn't too much wrong in ensuring that he's doing his bit for the solidity of the team, while being given free reign to do what he does best when required. With regards to the EL, granted, there wasn't a great deal of stellar opposition. But you can only beat what is in front of you. You can only beat what is in front of you, credit is due based on the strength of the opposition you beat, we beat one good team My problem is the players aren't given free reign. By his own admission Pardew's 'world' is what happens when his team don't have the ball. Due to this, when we do have the ball the players aren't allowed to move anywhere.

You see it time and time again, a new manager comes in who isn't all about negativity and the press is full of quotes from players talking about how much of a relief it is. I'm expecting this as much as I'm expecting thousands to say 'ahh yeah I see what you mean' if they see this team coached by someone proactive.

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. Why might it have become unorganised? Buck stops with the manager for that, obviously. The lack of consistency, due injuries etc, in our back five has been a contributing factor though. Yeah. It's odd though isn't it. Our defending's gotten worse but so has our attacking game. Begs the question what do we actually work on in training. It's not set penises Aye, it's baffling how we/he have gone backwards so dramtically. The unsettled nature of the season hasn't helped, and I do genuinely believe he's massively struggled with the additional games. He's a 'details' manager, and he hasn't had the time available to get his message accross to the players. If anything, I think he, as a manger, was even less prepared for Europe than the squad was. We did still get to the quarter finals, like, so that shouldn't be forgotten. I'd go one step further and say he's a 'details of the opposing team' manager. Hence quotes like 'when he's got the ball, that's his world' about HBA. From watching us I imagine that to be his approach with all our players, just try and score without moving out of your position. The EL was fun but lets not kid ourselves, we got past one team that were any good.

I just think it's asking for trouble. For anyone advocating giving him 'at least the start' of next season, is it inconceivable that we'll be in another relegation battle by christmas? Granted there's always that risk with a new manager. Mike and Derek are taking good advice on player recruitment, if they took equally good advice on a new manager we could be a serious force next season.

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. Why might it have become unorganised? Buck stops with the manager for that, obviously. The lack of consistency, due injuries etc, in our back five has been a contributing factor though. Yeah. It's odd though isn't it. Our defending's gotten worse but so has our attacking game. Begs the question what do we actually work on in training. It's not set penises

I hope Ashley doesn't mind losing some of these blue chip players who we worked so hard to sign then, because another mediocre season next year and some of them will want out. I have a feeling it could be sooner than that for one or two.

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. of course it is, when you don't score a lot of goals you can't afford to concede many simples It's definitely a contributing factor, I'm just interested in why we've become less organised. Fwiw having watched Pardew football for over 2 years I think our problems are: 90% - We look either incapable or unwilling to attack as a team and create chances due to the emphasis placed on rigidity 10% - Lack of defensive organisation

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised? It's definitely a contributing factor, like, aye. Why might it have become unorganised?

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. was being facetious, forgot you're not allowed to be anything but literal on here so yeah, i agree with you in a sense, as i stated myself last season was built on 17 clean sheets (iirc) and we didn't win many games by a large margin, for much of last season we weren't crafting openings and scoring good goals inochi i'm sorry we just weren't, we were solid and tight and well drilled...ba is a striker who thrives as a lone forward, and cisse came in and was amazing at just the right time in short, as has been said again and again, pardew plays a percentage game based on tight margins....last season everything went for him, everything, this season the only thing that's gone for him was the board backing him with players in january, and he's managed to fuck that up too so i dunno man, unless he totally changes his entire managerial style to this point i honestly think i have a pretty good feeling for next season yeah I'd have accepted it as a facetious comment if it didn't carry the tone and message of most of your posts on this subject. No reason to expect that to be any different. Again, I don't agree that we weren't creating many chances. I'd argue that it would be a near impossibility for your strikers to score 30+ goals with a shortage of chances being made for them. Yes, there were some wonder strikes. They happen in every season. But, for the most part, strikers need some form of chance to score goals. The argument that it's a negative for your attacking, creative players to be responsible for your attacking, creative play is one I really struggle with. The bit in bold, again, not for me. We had massive luck with injuries, that can't be argued. However, we suffered a couple of absolute howkings last year, yet we always bounced back and maintained a relative amount of form for the entirety of the campaign. Post match threads would be filled with those happy that 'Pardiola' had learned from his mistakes in the previous games. What I'm getting at is that this season he's had an absolute shitter. At times, it's verged on criminally bad. But, in my opinion, he has shown what he's capable of over the course of a season previously. For that reason alone, there should be some doubt in a prediction that next season will repeat this. While not quite 50/50, I'd say that there is at least a chance that next season could be an improvement. There's definitely a chance there could be an improvement, it would be silly to say otherwise. I'd say there's a very small chance of an improvement in the tactics though, I've seen too much of his football now to think otherwise.

It wasn't in the plan to bring in Gouffran and Sissoko in January, or pay that much for Debuchy.

Con's - We're not sure who we'll get. Pro's - Everything else.

Wouldn't the way Shepherd behaved by an argument for not sacking Pardew? No. Well thanks for that. Just messing Ian. Personally I think the way Shepherd behaved is a massive fuck off warning sign of what we can expect if we let him start another season. We need to be proactive and bring someone in as soon as the season ends. If we sack him mid season our options are drastically reduced and the cycle of appointing bad managers is more likely to continue.

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things of that i am sure You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ. What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers. no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success. If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright. You think the problem with this season is that the defence wasn't well drilled or organised?

Wouldn't the way Shepherd behaved by an argument for not sacking Pardew? No.

The journo's are starting to tell the truth little by little: Read more: Journal Live http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/newcastle-united-news/2013/04/16/alan-pardew-faces-backlash-after-tyne-wear-derby-61634-33179180/#ixzz2QbyfqxEL

I'm really torn at the minute. I want him out so much that half of me wants to cancel my ticket next year along with a letter to the box office explaining why, as that's the only thing they care about. But I also really like match day and catching up with friends.

Fucking hell man, that Martinez interview. What we get is 'we need to run faster and jump higher'.

shut up man

Hard to say whether our lot will come out with their tails between their legs and roll over, as we have done previously here on too many occasions for my liking, or whether they'll get their heads down, attack and fight. If its the latter, I dont see why we cant win it. To be honest, this is a ridiculously difficult fixture to predict and has been for a few seasons, we will without Mulumbu, probably our best player this season, your form is extremely inconsistent to put it mildly, but with Europe over, you should get to safety quite comfortably. If your team turns up you'll take 3 easy points. We're shit, away from home we're completely shit.

The fucking mackems were right last season

Because of his positioning. f***ing obvious, this. This isn't down to the manager? How come his positioning was good last season for big parts but not this season when he has been moved forward a bit? I for one believe Tiote's positioning is down to Pardew completely. No. Take Adam Johnson's goal as the example, and look at where he stands, and what's his decision. I am a defensive midfielder in real life, and I can tell you a defensive midfielder can never allow anyone to take shot that easy in that position, never. It is not down to Pardew or coaching. It is just shit judgement and poor football intelligence.