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Well, actually, the point being disputed is that we looked like going down under Allardyce. Which we didn't. Allardyce's football is awful on the eye but he is far too good at scraping wins to get a side relegated.

Aye, a Joke Kinnear - Chris Hughton - Alan Shearer bumbling masterclass suggests Sam Allardyce could've gone 5 months without accumulating the 10 points required for PL safety.

Unfortunately none of these good managers want him in their team. All their fault, too.

Pink champagne ffs. What a fairy.

Aye, right. Allardyce and his history of taking teams down. No point in this mongish tosh.

We had 26 points when Allardyce was sacked in early January and finished on 43. There was no precipice, freewheeling or cliff. I totally go along with the contempt for Allardyce and appreciation for Keegan but the notion that the former was dragging us towards relegation before KK showed up, saved us and transformed the team into a really good outfit is bollocks.

Am I seeing things? Elliot's probably overweight but he doesn't even make the top 2 of the fattest keepers I've seen at NUFC.

We certainly weren't 'on the precipice of relegation' when we appointed Keegan the last time, mind. No need to exaggerate that much.

Absolutely not. He'd probably end up with one, mind.

I remember Friedel being an absolute arse at the training ground in '94. It's also a big shame the MetroStars are no longer called that. Great name.

Well that didn't work.

WHEN DID YOU DECIDE THIS?

Or the fact he's an attacker who doesn't score or create.

Cisse looks handsome with a bit of hair.

Fair play to him if he stood up to Pardew. All we know for sure is that he calls him the best manager he's ever worked with and said the other month that he shouldn't be sacked in spite of the fact that fan groups has mobilised against Pardew partially in defence of Hatem himself.

I've alluded to him taking the easy way out in the past. If you look back in this thread it'll have been said in the summer. I remember discussing it before the season started. In all seriousness this is a bit of a waste of time. As much as Pardew's badly mismanaged him since late 2012 Hatem's more responsible than anyone else for being out of favour on loan at Hull City during the prime of his career. Hardly profound.

I don't know if you're seeing things again but not at one point have I referred to previous opinions.

I watched the last half hour too. It was pretty fucking insipid stuff.

Right about what? It doesn't take a genius to be right about Hatem Ben Arfa. He's a (sometimes) brilliant right winger who consistently takes the easy route in his career. And it's unfortunately led him to two appalling defensively-minded managers who aren't going to let him do his thing.

He's not any sort of target. I love watching him play and I'd certainly prefer him to be starting for NUFC than the rubbish actually in the side. Just pointing out the huge contrast between his situation and his (at one time vaguely realistic) stated ambition.

I'd say the one desperate for an argument is the one still arguing he's something he's quite clearly not.

He's a vastly overrated football manager. I've said it more than once.

Rob Elliot is an absolute world away from being a mediocre PL keeper. Asmir Begovic is a mediocre PL keeper. Elliot's just crap.

Yeah, of course he does. He's below Alan Pardew with a better team.