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I voted Ferdinand, but I was tempted to vote Hamann, he was brilliant in his season for us, I'll always remember that goal against Arsenal.

Not really all of the time is it? It's becoming more and more frequent. I'm sure Bobby wants what's best for the club but what he's doing is not going to help. I don't see how its causing a problem though really ? Its gonna do a lot more than not saying anything.

Robson has got every right to pass comment on the state of the club. What he says is what most of us are thinking so I don't think he's too far away from telling it as it is. The bloke can do whatever he wants but he was in a similar position to Allardyce a few years back, and had a respected figure been coming out critisizing him I dont think he would have appreciated it. Besides, he's no saint, some of his decisions where just as odd and the beginning under Bobby wasn't brilliant, it was a case of steadying the ship. Allardyce is 20 games in. At the end of the day I dont think what he is doing is benefitting the club.

Not really all of the time is it? It's becoming more and more frequent. I'm sure Bobby wants what's best for the club but what he's doing is not going to help.

Am I the only one that is getting annoyed with Bobby coming out with stuff all the time? He's IMO beginning to come accross a bit bitter being critical all the time. Maybe Allardyce should shit himself when its too late in the 75th minute and throw 3 subs on as well. I appreciate the good he did for the club, but after all, he set the ball rolling towards the shit we are in now.

£80m for C Ronaldo is absurd, I can't think of a word for an £80m bid for the fat 31 year old Ronaldo Didnt he lose a shed load of weight over the summer? Oh well, let me just get my cheque book!

£80m for C Ronaldo is absurd, I can't think of a word for an £80m bid for the fat 31 year old Ronaldo Didnt he lose a shed load of weight over the summer?

I have to disagree i am not saying officals are bent, but the decisions that have gone against us in the last two games have cost us the macth end of story. They have played a part, not cost us the matches. We did that ourselves. an offside goal in the 80 something minute, didn't cost us a point? two blatant red cards and another offside decision going against us wouldn't have completely turned the game in our favour? You could say letting in the first goal cost us three points. If, if, if. Fact is if we took our chances we'd be doing better. We didn't. We're not. I agree to an extent with what you are saying, but a lot of teams will play as well/bad as we have done in the last few games, get that little bit of luck and win games, our luck has been rotten recently.

I have to disagree i am not saying officals are bent, but the decisions that have gone against us in the last two games have cost us the macth end of story. They have played a part, not cost us the matches. We did that ourselves. an offside goal in the 80 something minute, didn't cost us a point? two blatant red cards and another offside decision going against us wouldn't have completely turned the game in our favour? A dodgey pen against Fulham in the 90th min gave us an extra 2 points. pretty much stone wall pen tbh

He's just seriously off form, he's still a very good player.

you've posted that 8 years too early mate It took him 8-years to turn a very good Championship side, into a respectable mid-table Premiership side. People can go on about the lack of money, scientific techniques, etc...but at the end of the day, that's all he did. In this day and age, no manager would get 8 years. Whilst we gradually improve (or not), teams that could be considered similar to us move further away ie. Villa, Everton, City, Spurs. And all of this nonsense about Fergie getting the time to change it around that the media trots out winds me up because that was 20 years ago. He would not get that opportunity today as times have changed and the pressure to stay in the Premiership and make money is too great. You do have to strike a balance though, you cant expect a manager to come in, makeover the whole club, and expect everything to be rosey in 20 games. Apart from Man City being a rare exception; Everton, Villa and Spurs have all taken a few years to get where they are.

We may not be playing particularly well at the moment, but we are also getting some rotten luck as well. We could have been a goal or two or a man or two up by half time yesterday, but instead the rub of the green went against us and we went in a goal down, which by the looks of things affected the confindence of the players. Similar situation against Chelsea, IMO we at least deserved a draw, but we lose to a hand ball going against us for one goal and a blatantly offside goal for the other. The performances need major improvement, but we are still due a bit of luck.

Im glad Emre's on but it should be Butt going off.

Faye off???

I dont think he's even been doing that much recently though, he's so quick but doesnt look like he wants to open up. He seems to always want more time than he has as well. I dont know if its a confidence thing but he looks like he struggling with simple things a professional footballer shouldnt struggle with at the moment.

If serious what a bollocks post.

Id bring Emre on, I dont think Butt is having one of his better games. Im a fan of Martins but he has been useless recently, he wants too much time and doesnt look like he knows what to do. He cant blame it on being on the wing tonight either.

Dont think city deserve to be winning, city could possibly be down to 9 as well. N'Zogbia has looked very good.

I would have left him out for Emre tonight. Sure he will come on for half an hour or so. As discussed in another thread he is probably better suited to that at the moment, but I'd still like him to be given a run pushed on.

I would have left him out for Emre tonight. I would have had Faye at the back and Cacapa out for Emre I think Faye has looked very solid in DM, more mobile than Butt, although Butt has been one of our better players this season. I wouldn't drop Cacapa.

I would have left him out for Emre tonight.

Could work having 2 defensive mids sitting back and supporting whilst 2 wingers push on, especially with Viduka starting.

Thought Elano was out?

I thought Milner played well, I dont think anyone apart from perhaps Martins played poorly. Beye would be my man of the match though. Not unrealistic to call him world class from what I've seen so far.

Ironically he did f*** all when he become a LW. It was when Martins was taken off and our wonderous manager ridiculously decided to play for a draw, actually. Owen was a positive move. Martins was poor. We didn't lose because of that move. agree with that.