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It went from shite source media saying 30/35m to shite source media saying club dont want to let him go and want 50/55m. No idea if we were ever serious or if that level of fee when he only played 8 times last year is the issue.

Don't forget as we scratch forwards off the list DCL is back on the menu 😭

Thought that was Mark Gillespie 🤣

He was smiling on the video where he did the weird hand shake thing with Murphy if you want to clutch at any straws 😁

If you dont agree with my point that's fine but not sure its the same thing. I am not saying he doesn't deserve a new deal, shouldnt get a new deal or we shouldnt offer a new deal my issue is the structure at the club has 2 position down and a Skeleton staff. The Isak situation was very different 4 years left but we had agree to sit down for contract talks and then it was reported they couldn't come to a resolution so park it until the summer. As its being reported now it appears that decision to pull out was a Mitchell one which could well bite us in the arse if the player didn't agree to it. For Tino its to fend off interest but we dont have a team to broker it and do have lots of other pressing needs such as 3 new players to bring in and targett and the Greek keeper to peddle etc.

Agreed but I hope you understand my underlining point unless there is an unhappy player or a release clause to delete under the to do list I wouldnt include resign up Tino contracted until 2028. If things were running smoothly and full team were here then yes put it on the sporting directors desk and say get it done but right now the desk is empty and Howe needs to do the deals and coach the team and prepare for the new season.

Well broken down but other than the rumours saying city want him I have seen nothing written to say he's unhappy or wanting to move. I get the concept of giving the best terms possible to keep our better players but we already know when it comes to wage whatever we offer won't be enough to fend off the bigger clubs. Just don't like the timing is all have no problem with our good players getting deals in a summer where we want to bring players in I would still be parking it as he has 3 years left. Botman has 2 years left he will also need doing its part of ongoing club contractual maintenance but as I say we have no executive structure to spend the time brokering this sort of thing right now.

Out of interest when is a good time to offer a new deal to any player? 2 years? 3 years? Final year? Does it depend on how much they came in on or how they performed? I understand the want to reward good players and to offer them terms that keep them happy. However seems like a job when there is a management team in place to do it not when we are struggling to bring players in.

A rock that doesn't understand your point sorry. He's been linked with city yes? Had a good end of season and euros? He's tied to a contract for 3 years we have no sporting director or ceo who is adding negotiating a deal for a locked in player to someones to do list? Certainly one to visit at some point this season but surely bad timing right now unless the player is unhappy.

3 years left on his deal not sure we need to spike our wage bill for him already with that long left to go unless his current contract is so poor it would make him consider his future.

The silence in here 3 days before we jet out again is got to be worrying more than me. No new names, updates or leaks could be good I guess to tighten up leaks if that's been an issue. However could just be the case nothing is genuinely happening and they waiting for movement in the market.

Agreed but they have supposedly turned down 25 already and want 50m that's before mbeumo finally went to manu so unless that's all brinkmanship by them an unwilling sellers and a gap in valuation (I will assume we wouldn't commit to 50m on a 29 year old) doesn't lend itself for a quick resolution something we desperately need.

🤣 no must stay so got a year

Year 1 of it yes depending on wage difference if longstaff to elanga. Doesn't help for the other 4 years.

He's a right miserable bastard living up to the Craig no hope mantra unrest and issues drive clicks as much as smooth success. Saying that if it were 4 zip to us would it fuel the narrative everything is fine and this group of lads being kept together is just as good as any signing. Team as we all know needs a refresh and maybe poor results drive that decision making to spending and acting quickly if the people in charge were ever on the fence about that point.

Confident on some players so more than one but no promises it seems. God I wish I wasn't so negative 🤣😭

£75/80k? https://www.capology.com/player/randal-kolo-muani-36134/#google_vignette

A quick Google inserting massive dose of salt they want rid so maybe a chance? https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/juventus-line-up-new-randal-kolo-muani-bid-wont-meet-psg-demands-forward-desire/bltab946d482e550890

As shite as it is I cannot see anymore outgoings without incomings as just feels like it would be more business we need to do on top of the essential list. His age, current wage and contract length means we aren't likely see much interest or fee. Would a loan help us other than losing a body but saving a wage?

Rumour was he turned a Saudi move down in Jan not sure if a solid source mind.

Not sure to be honest squad costs rules surely would still be how much the player costs you in fee over the life of the contract and wages? I really wish our takeover was 20 years ago and by now would be a minor inconvenience rather than a road block at every turn. Puts too much pressure of the manager and players to keep working miracles and the commercial team to pluck new income out of thin air. Its frustrating as to have good income you need success we have had that in boat loads relative to where we were but want to push on. I assume the hope would be champions league qualification again for next year ideally. Where as we are more closer to being unable to get what we need to do that next year and as a consequence of that could lead to players leaving meaning we start the rebuild/attempt again. Doesn't lend itself to a linear rise which is far from certain even without spending restrictions.

True and I know that but Targett? 😭 Really have to hope some of these youth players start to be worth something or can break into 1st team I dont know where all the funds are going to come from all the spending needed in the next 2 or 3 years.

Load of shite targett, Wilson and longstaff a chunk of that can offset an Isak bump we aren't ever going to get him to 300 or 350 a week but I am sure we could do 200 or 220k is that enough? No idea. Also I am sure people have said if he signs a new deal we spread his amortisation over that new contract length bringing the yearly psr cost down?

Agreed 100m to fill 40 goals from your side?

Agreed. I didn't suggest it was just that even if it was 40m is too big of a % of the budget to go on a keeper. If we were prepared to pay more I think this deal would have been done the long standing journo hold up has been reported as there is a price gap between the two clubs.