brummie

As manager.

Kinda see what you mean brummie. However if It was me and I was convinced and beleived I was innocent then I sure as hell wouldn't be showing remorse, just to appease the masses either. The whole thing from both sides seems distasteful in the extreme and I agree the 'aggressive' camapign and retinue around him harm his case imo. I would however be stating that rape is abhorent and that I don't just view women as sex objects etc. I think he's been badly advised on this aspect. Looking at the original case it does seem an odd one, and not a cut and dried solid case at all..imo. Lad shoud try and clear his name legally and if that happens then re start. The rape threat against Oldham staff etc can't be real. that is some sick shit. How is it distasteful from both sides, though? I mean, what is the other side you're referring to?

Yeah, agree with you 100%. I wouldn't be so against him returning to football had he shown some signs of reformation. As it is though he doesn't appear to have learnt anything from his experience. He maintains his innocence so any apology or show of remorse would only be superficial. He can think he is innocent as much as he likes, and an apology would be hollow, but the way he has acted, with the support of his girfriend's rich family, smacks of arrogance, and the suggestion that if you've got enough cash, you can just buy yourself out of trouble. Look at any football forum you like where people are discussing this and you'll see people suggesting he's actually not guilty, or what he did wasn't too bad, that it happens all the time where young people go out to get pissed, all these things, but the fact remains, Ched Evans has been tried according to the laws of the land and found guilty. He launched an appeal against his conviction, which was refused. The law says he's a convicted rapist, the law has said it twice. The "yeah but" shit which goes on amongst football fans (and clubs, it seems) makes me want to puke.

they are allowed, but they're clearly massively open to abuse and keeping evans out of football has become a thing in itself now imho - if it was a poll of genuine supporters who were always knocking him back then aye fine but it's clearly not assuming those 4k/20k oldham petition numbers are correct it's just nonsense I see your point here but I think you need to look at the repercussions of him getting back into football. Parents, regardless of whether they like football or not, will want to sign the petition if they have kids who like football. so it's think of the children now? i'll not agree he should be blocked from playing if clubs want him to play for them, which they obviously do He isn't blocked from returning to football, though. That's a pretty important point. Clubs are not signing him because the fans or sponsors - or both - do not want to see their club associated with someone like him. That's entirely understandable, but it is not the same thing as being "blocked" from playing, which implies some form of legal restriction.

Yes. When he spends more than peanuts on a player, he can spot a good one. Vlaar was good for 4m, Benteke, obviously, a superb signing. Even Kozak, before he got injured weighed in with a decent goal ratio, and Carlos Sanchez is looking more and more like a very good signing. That's all good. What isn't all good is the coaching side of things, where he's just all over the place.

Absolutely zero. The owner has set the bar at not getting relegated. So long as that doesn't happen, he doesn't care. Lambert got a new four year contract in September. Incredible. Would you take going down to try and enforce change? No. Partly because he won't get sacked even if he gets us relegated. Seriously, he's bullet proof.

What do you expect? Be careful what you wish for. I have no idea what you mean.

Absolutely zero. The owner has set the bar at not getting relegated. So long as that doesn't happen, he doesn't care. Lambert got a new four year contract in September. Incredible.

The fact he's a convicted rapist is only part of the problem with Evans. it is also his behaviour since (the references to "my infidelity", the girlfriend's rich family bankrolling him, and offering to cover any losses as a result of employing him, the people hanging around him in his retinue), he really has created a situation where it is harder for him to get back into the game, not easier.

Rumours Cleverley won't join us as he wants to go to Everton. Further rumours this is because he thinks we're directionless in terms of management. On the second sentence, he's right, and it is a disgrace. On the first, thank FUCK for that, I'd be mortified if we spent 7m on him. Total waste of space.

hmm, "they tried to fuck me when i was having a low time" You were in prison, Joey, how many people in normal walks of life do you think would still be employed whilst in prison? I take the point about the likes of Wise, Ashley and Lambias being cunts, but fuck me, Barton is exactly the sort of "me, me me" footballer that makes me want to start watching rugby instead. What a massive arsehole.

If that's the case, then when the law changes to reflect that, Ched's in the clear.

Down to dickheads on twitter and that though, not Evans fault really is it? Not like he's doing a Michael Myers and pursuing her or owt. His website and family haven't helped like. Yeah I'll concede the point there. Hardly been the classiest of advocates for "justice" it must be said. That is exactly the problem. I have seen him interviewed and he still refers to the rape as "my infidelity" Now, the whole , "maybe he was innocent" thing is an understandable argument, at least from him, but as things stand, right now, Ched Evans is a convicted rapist. He's also a convicted rapist who not only hasn't expressed any remorse, he continues to act as if what he did is comparable with getting a bit pissed one night and cheating on your girlfriend. All the "yeah but what if he's not guilty" stuff is totally irrelevant - if we are going to look for mitigating factors here, then they are not going to come from arguments along the line of "maybe he's not guilty". The most depressing thing about this whole situation now is seeing football clubs who are just looking for any little opportunity to find a way they can employ someone like Evans and get away with it. Sheffield United shat themselves because Jessica Ennis threatened to take her name off the stand, Charlie Webster threatened to resign, those sort of things, but Oldham are clearly thinking they can find a way to make it happen without taking too much flack. I'd be absolutely fucking mortified if my club acted like that.

Unbelievably, someone in the press cottoning on to the weirdness of Lambert. From the Graun

Bony to Man City. How fucking depressing to see that happening.

11 in 20 league games so far. Totally on course to smash that 39 goals shitness.

To be quite frank, after McLeish, then Lambert, next time there's a referendum, I'll be campaigning for yes. obviously, of course, I am joking, the club has a long Scottish connection going back to George Ramsay and William McGregor, two of the men most involved in our foundation and years of domination (and, in the case of McGregor, inventing the football league).

This is true. Last season, towards the end when we were yet again fighting a relegation battle, Randy Lerner released a statement, on a Sunday, saying he was going to say something about the ownership situation at the end of the season, and he was "really disappointed people aren't focusing on the exceptional result we got yesterday". The result he was referring to? We'd just drawn 0-0 at home to Southampton. That fucking says it all, really.

When they've probably never had to pay for a ticket in their lives. Staggering really that pundits can have the nerve, and for it to be so widespread amongst them. Spot on, as per last post. It makes me want to puke up at least one, and possibly both of my kidneys.

Your situation sounds like a mirror image of our in regards to the lack of pressure on a complete fraud of a manager. Hopefully you can have a Steve Parish of your own. it is precisely the same thing at work - the football "industry" protects its own. That means managers always "doing a good job", regardless of the actual evidence, or journalists who are so detached from the experience of fans who actually pay loads of their hard earned money to watch matches that they're basically reporting on a totally different event. I saw something the other week, that absolute cuntbubble Richard Keyes tweeting about how Malky Mackay deserves another chance (wherever he is) as he's "a great football man". What on fucking earth is that phrase even supposed to mean?

I spoke to a mate today, as he left Villa Park after our 89 minute toil against Blackpool. He started describing how depressing and generally mindbendingly shit it was to watch, how sad he felt, sat there watching it (with a nice trip up from London and then back down again after thrown into the mix), that I honestly thought he was about to start crying. He's a 45 year old solicitor, too, not some overly excitable teenager. On the bright side, for the first time, real, sustained anti-Lambert chanting going on. What will happen is, ultimately (probably after about another three years of this guff), Lambert will get the sack and the national media will weigh in about how we've driven him out, when I genuinely can not think of another manager producing so many piss poor results and getting granted so much patience from the fans. Most clubs, he'd have been hounded out after the first season, but with us he got total support. It took another season of utter shite for him to lose support. Still, those cunts on Sunday Supplement won't be able to even begin to work their tiny brains around that, they'll just pile in and blame the fans.

3rd in a row makes it sound like something does, occasionally, happen, which puts an undeserved gloss on our season.

I think it is more about Berahino thinking he's above playing for Ollbeeyun.

Sulky arsed Berahino not celebrating.

If someone asked me if I'd swap Lambert for McClaren right now, I absolutely would.