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Swearing, no. I love the swearing. Name calling becomes a problem when people get used to just calling somebody a mong or whatnot instead of actually responding to their arguments.

Are we getting one of those?

I was actually waiting for that. Didn't think it'd be first post though

This is something I've been meaning to write for some time now. I realize that I'm not the most eloquent of posters on here, but I just ask that you take a moment to consider what I'm saying as opposed to immediately reaching for the mackems.gif smiley. Posting on these forums has always been something of a jarring experience for me culturally, as I'm used to being active on boards on which posters maintain a facade of decorum, and try not to be hostile/insulting to each other, even when they disagree. Now in some ways, I find it very refreshing that on this forum, when I think somebody's being a fucking stupid cunt, I actually get to call them a fucking stupid cunt. Football's a passionate topic, and this forum would be all the poorer if we were forced to all wear fake smiles on our faces and pat each other on the back while discussing it. That said, I think things have gone too far, particularly since the Keegan affair. With the club's declining fortunes putting everyone in a bad mood, I fear we've simply become a pack of confrontational dickheads. There are many posters on these boards who, when exposed to something they disagree with, simply , , or mackems.gif and seek to ridicule the OP instead of responding in any substantive manner. We've all been guilty of this at one time or another in recent months, myself included. I think the fact that this sort of problem is much more prevalent on the Football Board as opposed to General Chat makes it obvious that it's mostly the events at the club that are having a negative effect on our temperaments, rather than any sort of inherent problem. Yes, things have been really shit for the past few months. Yes, we're all in a terrible mood. Yes, sometimes people will just say something about Ashley/Keegan/Wise/Kinnear/Owen/Shepherd/N'Zogbia/Xisco/the Tea Lady that's so idiotic that you just want to reach into the monitor and smack them. But the more this forum drifts away from good natured disagreement and discourse towards a classless shouting match with the same people fighting about the same things and using the same insults, the poorer we all become. I think it would benefit all of us if we just took a nice, deep breath and tried to clean things up a bit. We're all people with strong opinions, so if nothing else, let's try to respect that about each other. I'm all for some friendly piss-talking, but we need to acknowledge when it's getting out of hand.

Oh come on now this is ridiculous. Blackburn are just as shit a side as we are. We've beaten better this season. I know Wednesday was traumatic... But cripes... Even Skirge thinks we're doomed

I expected to wake up to something like "Rennes management have laughed off the 'insulting" bid for Stephen M'Bia from Newcastle United," so I suppose this is better.

It's called hindsight. The fact that we were excited about it at the time certainly doesn't exempt it from being a failure. Especially considering that our excitement was mostly predicated on the assumptions that Joey Barton wouldn't go to prison and that Alan Smith was a footballer.

Exactly. So, logically... If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood. And therefore? A witch! Then I dub you 'Sir Bedevere, Knight of the Round Table'. Attempting to be patronizing fails so badly when you're not smart enough to do it. Smart enough for you Yes, your poor attempt at a Monty Python reference was the epitome of pithy cultural commentary. Now fuck off unless you want to have an actual discussion. Thanks.

Exactly. So, logically... If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood. And therefore? A witch! Then I dub you 'Sir Bedevere, Knight of the Round Table'. Attempting to be patronizing fails so badly when you're not smart enough to do it.

Huh? Compared to Souness he looks like a f***ing mastermind. Well, I'll give you Smith and Rozehnal. And Barton, I guess (though I still think he can come through). Viduka, Cacapa, and Geremi were free. Wouldn't call Enrique an epic failure. Beye and Faye were damn good. 13.5 million on utter, unmitigated failures. 6 million more on a fullback that struggled to get into the team at the time. That's epic enough for me. 21 years old and an epic failure. BS. I'm not saying that Enrique is an epic failure I'm saying Allardyce's transfer policy was.

Huh? Compared to Souness he looks like a f***ing mastermind. Well, I'll give you Smith and Rozehnal. And Barton, I guess (though I still think he can come through). Viduka, Cacapa, and Geremi were free. Wouldn't call Enrique an epic failure. Beye and Faye were damn good. 13.5 million on utter, unmitigated failures. 6 million more on a fullback that struggled to get into the team at the time. That's epic enough for me.

Mort said something to the effect of "we weren't happy about how shit went down in the summer so we brought in some new people." Again, can't be bothered to find it.

they thought they got one in zokora. One that isn't shit would be preferable

Where is all this money coming from for Spurs? Add up their summer and winter signings and this is Chelsea money. Crazy.

Was it? is that fact or just your opinion? Logical reasoning that pretty much anyone can reach. There's also quotes out that support it out there somewhere, which I can't be bothered to dig up.

There should not be any revisionist history shit about Allardyce's reign. It was bad, really bad. And his idiotic comments to the press since then have only made my estimation of him drop further. Let's also not forget that the whole reason Ashley started off with his "system" in the first place was because Allardyce's summer signings were such epic failures.

Ah shut up you lot. I refuse to be pessimistic in the buildup to a matchday. If we lose, we can all kneejerk after the match. We're gonna spank them so hard Big Sam will have to use his cry-o-pod!

What's to say they can't just get Kaka and top him off with 4 quality defenders. They've got infinite money. The rules have changed people. Get used to it.

Kaka is not going to flop. That's not even possible. So umm.... Howay Lee Cattermole.

They spent crazy money in Summer 2007 buying all sorts of players for a CL push. They failed and now they're in big trouble.

As far as I'm concerned it's still about as likely to be complete baloney as it is to be true.

Hmmm.... Is he Santiago Munez, or is he Ali Dia?

Seem pretty pissed with Kinnear, to say the least Well, add that to his list of fuck ups then.

cripes, did they really, honestly need to issue an official club statement over that?

"If we say 5 mil and they want 12 mil there's going to be a problem then" Well, at least Joe knows exactly what's going to happen