mrmojorisin75

He can't change the past, just because they've made some mistakes doesn't mean they'll always make them, exhibit A is history. My point is to forgive what happened all you want is to return to lower mid table finish? After everything he put the club through? Madness. Exactly. We are owed a lot more than just returning the club to the same shit state it was in, he needs to get us competitive in cups and back in Europe to be anywhere near forgiven. This calendar year has been their best since coming in, it can be classed as the foundations needed to building a new team and new professional club while starting to repair the damage. And tbh the emergence of Carroll, signing players like Ben Arfa, the stability and progress of Hughton are early signs that its finally going right for us and if we keep progressing like this in two or three seasons the club could easily be beyond the shit state it was in before he took over, but with a lot less debt and with younger players on sensible wages and a manager the fans are quite taking too. I think everyone right now is quite happy with the progress of the club and the board, but its past discretions are certainly not forgotten and a long way to be forgiven. I don't think they've ever apologised, and they fuking should imo for lying and misleading the fans and their part in our relegation. Hopefully they are waiting for us to return to some kind of resemblance we once were before doing it and then we can all move forward, until then they owe us.

I've never said anywhere that I forgive them, I'll wait until the end of the season before making that judgment. I expect them to look to progress each year and not just get to where we were, getting to where we were is still another step in the right direction. I'll not wait until they've won a Cup or qualified for the CL though because we haven't won a Cup since 1969 and have only qualified for the CL twice and the last time we did that was the 2002/03 season. Read the fucking thread title dude

Say one thing about Cole watching yesterday's game...fuck me he's fast

He can't change the past, just because they've made some mistakes doesn't mean they'll always make them, exhibit A is history. My point is to forgive what happened all you want is to return to lower mid table finish? After everything he put the club through? Madness.

Me either. But the alternative is to see the established few continue to win season in season out. Wind back the clock to the SJH days pre-floatation and the money we spent to be able to challenge. What do you think other clubs fans were saying then? Only difference now is the amount of money it takes to actually catch up. Ourselves and Blackburn did the same thing just in a different era. The real difference IMO is the element of risk. We took a risk in order to strive for success, there's nowt wrong with that and to a large degree we've paid for that risk. I'm sure a lot of fans were pissed off about it at the time, but no doubt they've been equally happy too see us held back by the same thing that gave us that chance of success. Man City have no risk, just an unlimited amount of free money to buy inevitable success (if you can call it that..), there's a big difference IMO. We didn't take a risk, SJH did. At that time there was seemingly no risk for us with a millionaire benefactor. Now you need a billionaire benefactor. The only things changed is e amount of money being spent. Risk

Z all you want motherfucka! I've got exhibit A in my side that wins every argument

I know what I've said and I'll stand by it. If we finish 13th then they've repaired the damage, I didn't say they would change history. They can't do anything to remove the relegation but they might be able to make us into a better team than we were before they came to the club. And I'll stand by what I said. That's bullshit and I'm calling shenanigans.

Wait, what? Why's that other Spurs fan (could even be you I don't pay that much attention) spaffing his load over the boy if he's not even turned up yet?

Try imagining him in a top team and see how it would work. Imagine Arsenal or Man U for example with Nolan instead of Fabregas or Rooney. I'm not really a fan of Nolan but what the hell is the point in that post

OK then, what was our league position before the takeover? You said: anything above that is an improvement from where we were the season before the takeover. After the takeover he oversaw us being relegated to a lower division for the first time in 15 years or so and it cost XX millions of pounds and made baby Jesus cry. I think I've made my point.

Me either. But the alternative is to see the established few continue to win season in season out. Wind back the clock to the SJH days pre-floatation and the money we spent to be able to challenge. What do you think other clubs fans were saying then? Only difference now is the amount of money it takes to actually catch up. Ourselves and Blackburn did the same thing just in a different era.

Finish 13th and they've repaired the damage, anything above that is an improvement from where we were the season before the takeover. Some serious, serious shit being talked in this thread like.

ridiculous...and no-one should ever forget the relegation I suppose you don't share the view that relegation was possibly a good thing for the club as it allowed us to wipe the slate clean from the excess and overspend of the Shepherd later years? A general lowering of expectations amongst the media and supporters hasn't gone without notice (and subsequent improvement of our support). Also, it broke up the monotony of playing the same 17 teams each season, quite enjoyed our random away trips (as a one-off season, not a regular thing) Lame dude.

How dare they use their money in order to progress! I'm bitterly jealous of their riches, of course, but I don't have a problem with what they're doing really. How the fuck else are you supposed to get places in today's game? Money talks. Their has to be a limit and accountability when it comes to funds, otherwise its not a competition, its just a bloke buying trophies. They might as well just give the money to the FA and FIFA and buy the Premiership and Champions League directly. Loads of clubs spend money they don't have, but the big difference is they either have to succeed on the money they've borrowed or risk a steep penalty (eg Portsmouth). Man City can spend absolutely whatever they want without their ever being any risk to them, with no chance of failure how the fuck you can really succeed at all? The most successful clubs in English football have always spent the most money securing their success. The difference with Chelsea and City is only that they have enough money to fast track that spending rather than build. City won't last forever, the guy will get bored, same as Abramovich. They'll eventually have to conform from within. Let the dog have it's day I say. Every title that's taken away from Manyoo and Liverpool can only be for the good of English football IMO.

you're just operating from the reduced expectations viewpoint, doesn't mean that the investment we've made (given the income from the PL) can be considered fantastic in any way... adequate i'd agree with what involvement has llamblias had in any of this? do you know, 'cause i don't but i'm guessing nowt

ridiculous...and no-one should ever forget the relegation

Fantastic, really? Llamblias, really?

don't like winning huh? can't agree, dos santos is a waste of skin

and theres the problem, building him/the match up too much. be tempted to start him from the bench cos of it. i didn't necessarily mean insane good

clockwatch 'til the debut with this animal we've signed...vs holloway's blackpool, could be the most insane game in football history

there isn't a part of that zlatan transfer that makes sense

heard any rumours who you might be interested in?

WHEREVER HE FUCKING WANTS OR HE'LL BE OFF!!!!!