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yesterdays fiver on waffa cup, cracked me up: A SLAP IN THE VASE With just 512 of the continent's finest also-rans left, it's squeaky bum time in Euro Vase, with fry as small as NEC Nijmegen, Metalist Kharkiv and Tottenham Hotspur anxious to extricate themselves from a competition that, like smack addiction and Scientology, is easy to get into but difficult to escape. But like Andy Dufresne in The Shawshank Redemption, who "crawled through a river of sh1t and came out clean" Tottenham are two goals down from their first leg defeat at Shakhtar Donetsk and can see the light at the end of that filthy sewage pipe they're slithering through. Which is not to say their manager 'Arry Redknapp 'asn't been toeing the party line by pretending 'e wants to win tonight's encounter. Because 'e 'as. "It would be great for the players if we could pull off a win and we'll be doing our best to do that," said 'Arry, who will be doing his best to do that by fielding a team comprised of his wife Sandra, five slalom poles, Pascal Chimbonda and a four-man wall of training mannequins. Still, at least Spurs have made the gesture of acknowledging these recessionary times and throwing open the doors of White Hart Lane for tonight's game to anyone dumb enough to stump up GBP33. Meanwhile on the plastic pitch at Moscow's Luzhniki Stadium, in a match that may well have ended by the time today's Fiver hit your inbox, Aston Villa will be aiming to confirm their exit from this year's Euro Vase by resting all their big name players and fielding the first 11 supporters to arrive at the ground. "Unconvincing platitude about our fringe players being more than capable," said Martin O'Neill, by way of explanation. Next season, of course, there won't be any Euro Vase, as the old tournament is being replaced by one that promises to be almost identical, except slightly more tedious. "Marketing ... broadcast rights ... sponsor ... logo ... new brand identity," read the Uefa press release in which the new tournament's format was revealed. "Oh ... and fans and football," it added, by way of an afterthought, except without the mention of fans.

so what you're saying is KK is a wanker and dennis wise would have signed zola then, and we'd have won the title by 12 points?

everyone really should read the above and think about it long and hard, then think about the next few seasons coming up, lets think: owen, viduka, geremi, butt, smith, duff, barton (arguable), beye will all either leave this summer or in the coming summers with no income back to the club, or VERY minimal fees now who remaining in the squad has any reasonable value?: colo (<10m), jonas (5-10m), martins (>10m), bassong (5-10m), enrique (<5m), saylor (<5m) few others like guthrie & raylor might bring in peanuts (<2m) so that's it then, that's essentially the sum total of our transfer spending for the forseeable unless we uncover another bassong that might net a huge profit to be reinvested digest that shit, hard to swallow

this, provided a much needed boost to the team from the moment he stepped onto the pitch vs 'boro and turned the game in our favour as i remember it...we'd started to stagnate a little by the time he arrived

howay man get some fucking perspective

this stopped me in my tracks when trying to catch up, stupefyingly idiotic sentence if ever i read one - i'd say it was wrong on every single level but it only pertains to operate on one level and it's diabolically wrong on that too

you say you want a revolution, well you know, we all want to save the world [works better if you sing it]

anyone said themselves yet? if not i'll do it first, ME

Another way to look at him is his cost to us. Conservatively estimating his wage as £100,000 per week, plus the transfer fee, minus the compensation from the FA comes to a total of around £33million for his services. He's played something like 68 games for us in all competitions (excluding friendlies) & scored 30 goals. Not a bad return in terms of goals to games. But... £33million / 68 games = £485,000 per game £33million / 30 goals = £1,100,000 per goal That's just s***. Well spotted it has not worked out & has been expensive if only I had of known that. I like your He's played something like I was expecting a ball park figure but you nailed it with 68. Stats can be twisted to whichever way you like though. But if we are going by your logic, lets have a look at the current set up attempt in Xisco Conservatively estimating his wage as £25,000 per week for roughly 7 months, plus the transfer fee (4.8 million?), comes to a total of around £5.5million for his services. £5.5million / 4 games = £1,375,000 per game £5.5million / 1 goals = £5,500,000 per goal Go Team Ashley... that doesn't work fucknuts , you need to reduce the transfer fee pro rata for how long he's been here so far vs the length of his contract owens almost seen his contract out so hoying it all together works, xisco not even a season so it doesn't

again correct. Nowt like a reality check. oh f*** me, what a load of s*** no, it isn't. YOU show ME where the club is in the league and also show me why important players have bailed out, if they are happy with the direction of the club. the post dave made was about wise, wise is not in charge of the budget is he? his boss is i'm going to assume that difficult decisions have to be made within the constraints of that budget in his role as DOF/transfer kingpin or whatever you want to call him it's not s**** from your perspective 'cause it meets your anti ashley-ism but it's s**** with regards his last sentence, blaming wise for where we are on the pitch is a f***ing joke imo since he arrived we've signed potentially the best CB we've seen for ages, another very good one for 10m, a better winger than was already at the club and a few squad fillers...if you think wise WANTED to offer owen a pay cut, or let given/zog leave then you're mental someone back up the anti wise s**** or f*** off with it, already said that but it was roundly ignored of course 'cause it ain't popular To kick off, and without mentioning the KK issue, no new right-back (Ryan Taylor has clearly been bought as a midfielder) or left-back when successive managers have pinpointed those areas as desperately in need of strengthening. No creative central midfielder (another priority) to speak of either. I would also seriously question your description of Colo as a "very good" CB - and he was hardly much of a discovery. But that's another argument. which part of "difficult decisions" don't you fucking understand like? we've been crying out for a CM for ages and they bought one within the budget, personally if it was a choice between nolan and a new right back or left back then i think they've made the correct one given enrique is doing quite well as is taylor filling in for beye if they had 20m to work with chances are they'd have filled more holes in the squad BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE 20m DID THEY nor did i say colo was a discovery, certainly can't recall that...but to me and many others he's an argentine international doing quite well in his first season in the PL, other players have done much worse anything else?

more irony. Do you or do you not think that Dennis Wise is a good DOF, and do you or do you not think that Mike Ashley will run a successful club in keeping with the recent history of the club and the last owners. Please debate this sensibly, give us your intelligent and reasoned response, and none of this hindsight bullshit that you excell in. It's all yours. since you two are clinically incapable of answering questions i will - assuming he had pivotal involvement in all first team signings and below, and given the budget constraints placed on him, he's doing a bang up job imo

again correct. Nowt like a reality check. oh fuck me, what a load of shit no, it isn't. YOU show ME where the club is in the league and also show me why important players have bailed out, if they are happy with the direction of the club. the post dave made was about wise, wise is not in charge of the budget is he? his boss is i'm going to assume that difficult decisions have to be made within the constraints of that budget in his role as DOF/transfer kingpin or whatever you want to call him it's not shite from your perspective 'cause it meets your anti ashley-ism but it's shite with regards his last sentence, blaming wise for where we are on the pitch is a fucking joke imo since he arrived we've signed potentially the best CB we've seen for ages, another very good one for 10m, a better winger than was already at the club and a few squad fillers...if you think wise WANTED to offer owen a pay cut, or let given/zog leave then you're mental someone back up the anti wise shite or fuck off with it, already said that but it was roundly ignored of course 'cause it ain't popular I made two posts attempting to back it up. If we don't know what Wise's exact role is (and we don't), the only thing we can all look at is the way the team and club is performing as a whole. That's the only thing we can all look at and agree on. He's apparently a fundamental part of the team; the system we're currently employing. However you want to spin it, the facts are that that same system - for whatever reason - caused the manager to walk out and is presiding over a woeful season which may yet see us relegated. If people weren't convinced by Wise and the system he fits into when both were put in place, it's beyond me as to how they are convinced by us scraping survival with Joe Kinnear at the helm. dave, there's nothing to back it up because: (a) wise being instrumental in KK leaving is based totally on conjecture and is fuelled by personal feelings about the man - if he had overstepped his boundaries then chances are MA would have backed KK, so operating within his boundaries is not something we should be wanting a guy hounded out of the club for, is it? (b) i assume you agree he doesn't set the budget or wages offered to players? then you probably agree difficult decisions are being made by the man? so what has he done wrong given that then? you look at the ins and outs and tell me what you'd have done differently, 'cause i just don't see it © the bit in bold - it's been made clear wise's remit is transfers and that side of the business i believe, right? therefore what is he doing wrong assuming i'm not talking shite in (a) & (b)? you can't level the performance of the club as a whole at him just 'cause we're not sure if he scouts every player himself or decides on the wages to offer during contract negotiations, i'm pretty sure his remit doesn't go down to choosing the matchday pies (d) colo, bassong & spidey are very good players signed for decent money, just 'cause he doesn't have more to play with why blame the guy? just don't get it, why people can't divorce wide from the wider mess

again correct. Nowt like a reality check. oh fuck me, what a load of shit no, it isn't. YOU show ME where the club is in the league and also show me why important players have bailed out, if they are happy with the direction of the club. the post dave made was about wise, wise is not in charge of the budget is he? his boss is i'm going to assume that difficult decisions have to be made within the constraints of that budget in his role as DOF/transfer kingpin or whatever you want to call him it's not shite from your perspective 'cause it meets your anti ashley-ism but it's shite with regards his last sentence, blaming wise for where we are on the pitch is a fucking joke imo since he arrived we've signed potentially the best CB we've seen for ages, another very good one for 10m, a better winger than was already at the club and a few squad fillers...if you think wise WANTED to offer owen a pay cut, or let given/zog leave then you're mental someone back up the anti wise shite or fuck off with it, already said that but it was roundly ignored of course 'cause it ain't popular

again correct. Nowt like a reality check. oh fuck me, what a load of shit

so it's not Wise you have a problem with then, but the role not so sure others agree with that

aye true, cheap and does whatever he's told

multiply the 50 GBP discount by, what, 30,000-35,000 and you'll have an amount that won't be available for players next season either

has to be bollocks, a fucking lunatic couldn't think JFK is up to the task...just hope quayside is wrong

fuck 'em, neither can the team they're "building" - you earn respect in this life and so far they haven't got mine

They need to know how many season ticket holders there will be so they can budget for the season, its hardly unreasonable. they need to make a gesture to get people back imo, spending some concrete money before any ST deadline would have been a start so people have some hope, but: if i was at home and considering buying/renewing then going through my mind would be "fuck off with your discount, all you're gonna do is keep the money anyway to pay debt off, we'll see no new players so it'll be more of the same shit" or if they spent before any deadline "who'll be sold to fund that then" we all know the reasons behind our financial constraints but football ain't like any other business, the joy is slowly being whittled out of it and our current owners don't seem to get that

I don't think there are any PR games being played here. He is their man and they will stick with him. Ashley employs people in Sports Direct who are not considered to be up to the job, but he sticks with them because he likes them and trusts them. Such loyalty is admirable in some ways but retaining JFK as manager will be the biggest obstacle Ashley has got if he is going to get the fans onside. I don't think many people think Kinnear is a credible manager who can move the club forward in the long term, and retaining him just adds fuel to the argument that Ashley is not in it for the long term or is extremely naive (or both). tragically i think you've nailed it there, all bases covered...and we're in deep, deep trouble if so

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOP!!!!

see i'm not sure i'd even agree with that 100% 'cause i have no idea to what extent the decisions being made are down to DW but i would say on some level SOMETHING works in the player recruitment part and yes we need someone who is not making these decisions i'd like to see what they could do with some decent money personally

Quoted for absolute truth, I'm also sick to death of the whole thing. Whinge, whinge without any constructive suggestions. Even the complaints are based on assumption and speculation, it's embarrassing. indubitably sir