mrmojorisin75

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article5877222.ece http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/blog/2009/mar/09/la-liga-valencia-unai-emery-david-villa the titles a piss take obviously, but these two articles really made me think this morning - the Valencia one is especially terrifying, complete madness to be honest still early so i'm not 100% sure where i'm going with this but when talking about owners NE5 once said something along the lines of "be careful what you wish for"...none of us are remotely happy with MA but things could be much, much worse imo if we manage to stay up and progress gradually i just wonder how this period will be looked upon in years to come 'cause i think things are gonna get a lot worse financially for clubs before they get better [dons tin hat]

as will the days of top flight football for better or worse, as you say

was never gonna play 20+ games a season for us, never...granted the knee injury was a shock but he'd still have been out 50% of the time or whatever, he's made of glass and not the strong type of glass either

The loan system works well as it does now and have for ages. Nowt wrong with it. End of discussion. Ok hypothetical situation. Club A is in a relegation battle and have a good player who's unsettled. They loan him to Club B who are also near the bottom of the league and he improves their team. Club B then has a better chance of beating other teams, including the other teams in that relegation battle. Apart from club A because he can't play against them as part of the loan agreement. Do you see that as fair. I don't see the problem with loan agreements barring the player from playing against his own club. It's a reasonable restriction that might otherwise prevent clubs from loaning out players (or selling in the case of Howard's move to Everton). No shit your club would lose a stack of players if it could not send a team of players & some elsewhere. I'm sure a few of the 15+ kids currently out on loan would leave if we couldn't loan them out. Hardly a big deal. That's exactly my point. Stop the bigger clubs hoovering up all the talent. If it's no big deal to lose them, don't sign them in the first place. I can't see how the loan system could possibly encourage the development of young players. (that's a generalisation btw, I realise it will help some but I'm looking bigger picture, or at least trying to) It encourages their development because they're playing competitive football, not in the reserves or youth sides. I understand the sentiment about big clubs hoarding all the talent. It will only get worse now with the 6+5 rule. How is it greed? Are you joking? Loan system means players have nothing to lose by all joining manu...so they can greedily hoard them all. Not too tricky. i think you're talking complete shite like. if there was no loan system in place it would do more harm than good imo. think mowen makes a good point like, was a big thing in italy if i recall - first sign of some kid doing well he gets bought up by one of the big boys and immediately loaned out somewhere else loan system is good but it should be reformed, i.e. if you sign a player and want to loan him within (say) 2 years of that then he can only go back to his original club or something, not saying that's the answer but allowing clubs with the most money to sign the highest rated bairns and loan them off bites imo

manyoo, arsenal, chel$ki & everton to win, 50 quid on 350 back, happy days

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no confidence whatsoever, think this'll be as good as gets for a while

think this is a really, really good point the club was mismanaged for years under FS and the old board (and continues to be), thing is we could ignore that 'cause they kept us in the top flight and we had good times to go with the not so good, good players to go with the not so good; fact is it can't be ignored now that it's all bad times with no hope of good similar to bankers & mortgage brokers in the economy, everyone knew to some degree they were probably up to something and were getting paid preposterous bonuses for what they were doing, but 'cause the house prices kept going up and everyone was flush no-one gave a fuck now they do we're the football club equivalent of the world recession, we had it all but due to our own internal fuck ups it's all gone away...like a recession it has to get worse before it gets better gimp puts it best; "the club fucking stinks and has done for a good few years now" - this is how i feel about it and have done for a while from owner, chairman down to manager and players

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this is probably spot on and the irony will be palpable - we lost him as a player 'cause the club was a fucking shambolic mess and i fully expect us to do the same with him as a manager i have little doubt he'll be a success as a manager personally if he goes for it, it's just gonna piss me off no end when it turns out to be with southampton or blackburn or someone we'll then have to pay a(nother) fortune to get the cunt in as manager and he'll probably fuck his ankle then and all

Yup they are. Its gonna be painful. hopefully be something like west ham when they went down, if we're lucky, signing cheap young British based players with potential or more likely something to prove god forbid we go down the journeyman route, dean windass style Its alright we have Shola. the anti-journeyman

clearly has no understanding of the game huh? hasn't been a 'yes man' made it in top flight football yet, they always get found out

Yup they are. Its gonna be painful. hopefully be something like west ham when they went down, if we're lucky, signing cheap young British based players with potential or more likely something to prove god forbid we go down the journeyman route, dean windass style

this is what it's come to is it? roy keane? jesus

Ashley? to be fair, he's doing the exact opposite of what indi says, or were you being ironic?

fuck does that matter? see southgate, gareth & roeder, glenn for more information

some thoughts: "keegan left us in a mess" - did he fuck, we'd played 3 in the league and had 4 points, and were still in the CC...we also played very well against manyoo at OT, to say he left us in a mess is a disgrace to be honest as the mess was created entirely after he went by a number of factors, MA & the protests basically "he should have stayed if he loved the club" - good point from Chez [i think] about happiness at work and why should he stay if he's not happy, however that doesn't stand up for me...employment in professional football isn't comparable to anything else and given there are only 2 opportunities to buy players all season how does not being in control of transfers lead him to be unhappy when it's irrelevant 90% of the time? of course he should have fucking stayed, however he couldn't have predicted what happened when he left, no-one could "he shouldn't be suing the club he loves" - of course he fucking shouldn't, especially when we're losing money hand over fist, it must be a nice principle to live by that, one that allows you to walk away with impunity while the fans you profess to love are stuck in the shit, then you expect 9m or whatever for sticking to your principles...have to see if i can come up with something similar to apply to my own life could probably write more but there's no point, all parties share a portion of the blame for where we are now, including FS & the previous regime...no one is clean in this one, no one at all

can't see why he wouldn't or couldn't do a hiddink, until the end of the season be explicit that he's walking away regardless doesn't matter a fuck anyways, will be back at some point in the future, probably, so what would we need AS for?

aye went to a roma game in january when i was there, vs samp, and looked out for riise in the game in case we signed him as we'd been rumoured jesus i'm glad we didn't

Well i feel much better now. WHAT A STAT! I think I'll leave work early and have a w*** over that. Discounting Derby's 11 points, as a club they were not really qualified to be there last year, Reading and Birmingham's 35 and 36 point haul shows they were nearly good enough for the Premiership. They sit in 2nd and 3rd in the league this year. If we do go down, chat of doing a Leeds is just nonsense. Who mentioned Leeds? I didn't ......... It was your comment of "If we do go down, we'll be the richest club ever to play in the second tier of English football." Brilliant, just fucking brialliant that mind. Great. Shame it we'd being a fucking shit division and it all could have been avoided. did you read that as a positive thing from Chez like? i took as just him stating a fact, an inherently embarrassing and depressing one at that

stopped reading here, worst part of any post ever tbh, comparison doesn't work on any level except we were both s*** last season and all Why? Both massive off-field problems? Check. Both apparent big clubs with big players? Check. Both in the early stages of a not so well done takeover? Check. Obviously we can't compare on next season and we won't be pushing on the league, but that's due to the nature of quality in both leagues. hence why i stopped

anyone think our shit ignorant manager, or our shit ignorant owner and his team have enough nouse between them to recognise this lads a decent turn and will improve if we make him number one choice and stop slagging him off in national newspapers? me either ha! was just thinking that if they did by some miracle recognise he's good they'd probably claim the humiliation gave the lad publicly was the motivation he needed! might be right

Finally losing to Spurs would hurt like hell prepare yourselves boys, they'll fucking bury us this year

stopped reading here, worst part of any post ever tbh, comparison doesn't work on any level except we were both shit last season and all

fuck me, best insult i've heard in a while