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Fucking English sissies. "Ooh, it's cold. We can't play football when it's cold. Hur hur hur." Pretty sure St. James' has under soil heating as well so the pitch can't get frozen regardless, or am I mistaken?

You English canceling matches just 'cause it's cold.

No. We're not wusses who can't handle the cold Like Chelsea got to experience in 1997 http://g.api.no/obscura/www.nordlys.no/510x510r/00999/1162209560000_CHELSEA010_999595510x510r.jpg

You English are sissy girls when it comes to snow. http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/543/543238/5432380/jpg/active/960x.jpg http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/543/543277/5432774/jpg/active/503x.jpg/img%5D http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/543/543188/5431881/jpg/active/320x.jpg Real men say "fuck the weather" and play football anyways.

Paul Merson speaks sense for once:

No. But I like your humour.

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I'm a big Ranger fan and while I would like to see him starting a few more games ahead of Marlon, I would still prefer Harewood in our squad rather than one of our promotion rivals. I'd quite like to see him in one of our promotion rivals' squads, means they'd only have 10 players on the pitch. Quite a stupid response really. No, he's utter shit.

I'm a big Ranger fan and while I would like to see him starting a few more games ahead of Marlon, I would still prefer Harewood in our squad rather than one of our promotion rivals. I'd quite like to see him in one of our promotion rivals' squads, means they'd only have 10 players on the pitch.

You're asking why its worse to accept defeat than to go for victory ? No, to presume victory. Dont see the difference You put out a side you think realistically capable of a victory & you're going for the points. Thats the whole point of the game. If you have sides lower in the league giving up in advance that just ruins the point of them even playing eachother. Seems obvious why thats worse. I was just posing the question really. As in what's worse, to accept that no matter what you do you will lose a match and cut your losses for the more important battle? Or to put out a weak team presuming that you will win irregardless and jeapordise your chances of picking up 3 points. There's no definitive answer on which is worse, yet there's a definitive view that the former are cowards but never that the latter are cavalier. Do you see where I'm coming from with this? Your computer at home? I can't see you, mind. You're quite a bit of distance away from me, so I'm just assuming that's where you're coming from with that. Im that bloke outside in the tree naked with the laptop for a head. Oh, I was wondering who that guy was. His penis was so small I was starting to worry it had frozen off in the -23 degrees.

You're asking why its worse to accept defeat than to go for victory ? No, to presume victory. Dont see the difference You put out a side you think realistically capable of a victory & you're going for the points. Thats the whole point of the game. If you have sides lower in the league giving up in advance that just ruins the point of them even playing eachother. Seems obvious why thats worse. I was just posing the question really. As in what's worse, to accept that no matter what you do you will lose a match and cut your losses for the more important battle? Or to put out a weak team presuming that you will win irregardless and jeapordise your chances of picking up 3 points. There's no definitive answer on which is worse, yet there's a definitive view that the former are cowards but never that the latter are cavalier. Do you see where I'm coming from with this? Your computer at home? I can't see you, mind. You're quite a bit of distance away from me, so I'm just assuming that's where you're coming from with that.

18242 out of 40157 isn't even half full. Last season their average attendance was 37955. And they knew what they were coming to see, a match for absolutely nothing but honor. And Everton could and should've (imo) have won it with the chances they spurned. Fwiw, we created fuck all. I watched the match as well mate, you had two or three chances which should've gone in. Like that (i can't remember his name, aggard?) shot just before the end of it. BATE had pretty much fuck all and got lucky. I'll very rarely say this, but they had most of the control of the match. If they had better attacking players, they'd have won by more. They were shit man That being said, the match itself was pretty shit in general.

18242 out of 40157 isn't even half full. Last season their average attendance was 37955. And they knew what they were coming to see, a match for absolutely nothing but honor. And Everton could and should've (imo) have won it with the chances they spurned. Fwiw, we created fuck all. I watched the match as well mate, you had two or three chances which should've gone in. Like that (i can't remember his name, aggard?) shot just before the end of it. BATE had pretty much fuck all and got lucky.

18242 out of 40157 isn't even half full. Last season their average attendance was 37955. And they knew what they were coming to see, a match for absolutely nothing but honor. And Everton could and should've (imo) have won it with the chances they spurned. The players on the pitch appeared to be trying to win it even if it was a meaningless match as well, which you can't say for Wolves.

Different scenario. Different approach to the game. Different attitude on the pitch. Pretty much nothing similar. Manager decides what team to pick based on his opinion of the importance of the match. It's no different at all. The match has no effect on any of the involved parties, and very few people paid to come watch.

Different scenario. Different approach to the game. Different attitude on the pitch. Pretty much nothing similar.

Arsenals second string isn't a bad team tbf. And they at least try to win their matches, plus they have some first teamers mixed in for experience. They don't really care if they get knocked out of the mickey mouse cup, aye. But they, as any football club should, still try to get as far as they can.

Ouch. Cunts. All this weeks winnings gone in one go. Hopefully my weekend bets will restore some of my pride

It is very different. As mentioned time and time again, Man Utd and Arsenals reserves can easily beat almost any team in the Premier League, even Wolves first team have a hard time doing that. Man Utd and Arsenal play their reserves still looking for a win, Wolves just threw the match not caring about trying. McCarthy should be fined, or Wolves should get a fine IMO. Point deduction would be taking it too far. i dont think you can really say because wolves didnt try to win the match they should be punished, plenty of teams go to the likes of the top four and dont play to win, but just because he chose to rest players, he should be made to look different to those teams? Playing for a draw is different to admitting defeat before the match is played, and I dare say most managers don't change their entire usual starting XI before a match against the top four, most teams actually want to try to get something from them as getting something from the top four is not only confidence building, it's valuable points if their opponents do like Wolves. I'd be ashamed and almost feel violated should Newcastle ever field a team of reserves against Man Utd just because the manager didn't think we could beat them. which is why i can understand the fan's anger, but not the FA's, its MM's decision to do that and a manager has enough problems without having the FA telling him who he should and shouldnt play. it was the wrong decision by MM, but that dosnt mean he should be singled out, as what he has done isnt all that different from clubs playing for draws or clubs playing their second string. Not trying at all is different though. That's why it's all so appaling. If he'd played his reserves, and they'd actually given it a go, it'd imo be a different story altogether.

No, the best teams usually mix seasoned first teamers with their reserves when they play matches, and they play them with the intention to win. Even if they don't have all the usual stars in their side. Wolves throw out their entire first eleven, and don't even try to go for a draw. The difference is so obvious I'm having issues with understanding how people don't see it. If a good team fielding some reserves had lost their match, it wouldn't be the end of the world because we'd know they at least tried. Wolves didn't. They laid down and took it, fully knowing their arses would be sore from the rape. It's appaling. And if people took off their "Oh we hate the "top 4" and they totally get treated differently than other teams, lolz" glasses, people would see that as well.

It is very different. As mentioned time and time again, Man Utd and Arsenals reserves can easily beat almost any team in the Premier League, even Wolves first team have a hard time doing that. Man Utd and Arsenal play their reserves still looking for a win, Wolves just threw the match not caring about trying. McCarthy should be fined, or Wolves should get a fine IMO. Point deduction would be taking it too far. i dont think you can really say because wolves didnt try to win the match they should be punished, plenty of teams go to the likes of the top four and dont play to win, but just because he chose to rest players, he should be made to look different to those teams? Playing for a draw is different to admitting defeat before the match is played, and I dare say most managers don't change their entire usual starting XI before a match against the top four, most teams actually want to try to get something from them as getting something from the top four is not only confidence building, it's valuable points if their opponents do like Wolves. I'd be ashamed and almost feel violated should Newcastle ever field a team of reserves against Man Utd just because the manager didn't think we could beat them.

Because it's against the rules to not go to a match with the intention to at least just try to win it, doing so will ruin football even more than it's already ruined and just widen the gap even more between the better teams in the world and the rest. And changing the entire XI except the keeper isn't "resting some of his better players". its against the rules to field a team of first team squad members? its not just wolves that have done it, i've seen the big 4 do it countless times, this is being given an epically high amount of attention compared to other such incidents when realistically there is absolutely nothing to discuss here although it is unfair to the wolves fans that travelled and an apology may be due. Four the fourth time in this thread, the top four can do it because their reserves can beat almost any team in the league. It's different when a shit team do it, because it's admission of defeat before a match is even played. Section E, rule 20 says: "In every league match each participating club shall field a full strength team." The top teams can put out their reserves and still beat the other teams in the league, so enforcing that rule on them wouldn't be possible as their reserves piss all over first teamers on other teams. It was obvious Wolves did not field a "full strength team" as they weren't gonna try to beat Man Utd, hence it's different. And one of the first blatantly obvious "let's just lay down and take it, boys!" tactics employed by a team in the PL. The obvious is bolded because of course it's been done before, but not so openly as this. It's damaging the integrity of the Premier League, and football as a whole.

Because it's against the rules to not go to a match with the intention to at least just try to win it, doing so will ruin football even more than it's already ruined and just widen the gap even more between the better teams in the world and the rest. And changing the entire XI except the keeper isn't "resting some of his better players".

It is very different. As mentioned time and time again, Man Utd and Arsenals reserves can easily beat almost any team in the Premier League, even Wolves first team have a hard time doing that. Man Utd and Arsenal play their reserves still looking for a win, Wolves just threw the match not caring about trying. McCarthy should be fined, or Wolves should get a fine IMO. Point deduction would be taking it too far.

'cause we've been randomly linked to him in the past.