Kimbo

If I had to choose out of those two it would be that weirdo Sherwood.

If you want to do any more than survive he's shit, he didn't finish top 10 with Stoke once, despite spending shitloads.

I remember that game, it made me optimistic, Ben Arfa and Remy were a nightmare for them. Didn't last long though, too much fret.

I understand if people want to pick the ones that were around for a long time, I was just wondering how he is rated as a player generally. Alonso was around for 5 years mind, which is long enough for me.

I have a question. If you were judging them on their entire careers rather than just in the premier league, would you pick the likes of Keane and Gerrard over Xabi Alonso?

I noticed on the bbc ticker thingy he criticised Pardew for his terrible tactics, said the team were too deep right from the start. Lawro for king says I!

I'm a hypocrite, with Suarez I would say he wasn't here for long enough, but with Stam I don't care, he would be a contender for my all time XI(from my life time).

Because I like to join in. Schmeichel Neville Ferdinand Stam Cole Vieira Alonso Scholes Ronaldo Shearer Henry

The time to worry is when you find yourself agreeing with Paul Merson.

If Pardew took those comments from Ameobi personally then that's him finished at the club IMO.

Another record for the one that proved us all wrong.

I'm wondering if we've done ok(not even well) in any big/pressure game under Pardew, our skirt gets ripped off every time, and it'll be the same at the weekend.

I'd rather we got a proper Cabaye replacement to finish off that midfield 3.

Some people seem to really rate him, I don't see it, and the idea of debating how good Colback is over the coming years is depressing.

Not really a surprise, I don't think we've played particularly well in any games during this run.

Mackems and own goals

Jobs where he would be considered a risk are closed off to him, unless we think he's going to rape a teammate I don't think it applies. That's not my point though. I'm not suggesting he poses a risk to his immediate surroundings or the persons he works with. For me it's a matter of principle. A convicted sex offender shouldn't, by way of his footballing talents, be granted a status as a role model. Which he undoubtedly will be whether we like it or not. Are all footballers automatically role models, just because they play football professionally? I've never understood the role model thing anyway, society doesn't pick role models, individuals do, and they usually pick someone that shares the same flaws, not perfect humans beings.

Jobs where he would be considered a risk are closed off to him, unless we think he's going to rape a teammate I don't think it applies.

But if you extend that logic, no criminal could ever be rehabilitated while the victim is still affected? Some people could be scared years after a burglary. To be rehabilited you first have to accept responsibility and show remorse for your actions. Is just not doing it again enough? Is Mike Tyson considered rehabilitated for example?

It should be up to individual clubs whether they want to take him on and risk a backlash from fans and sponsors. I don't buy the role model argument or that him playing again will send out any form of message over the seriousness of rape. When Tyson got out of prison and still had a career in sport people didn't see that a sign that rape was cool, and he was a global superstar, not some lower division footballer. Everyone knows how serious rape is, it's quite clear, unfortunately you get the odd nutter that doesn't care. This is only an issue because he didn't serve enough time in prison, that should be the focus IMO.

Well if someone traps the ball when they've ended up on the floor it's usually given as obstruction, so it the same principle really. He didn't obstruct anyone though. Effectively just trapped it with his chest. But he laid on it to stop the Sunderland player from getting it.

Fuck me, what's the debate? Even schoolboys know what obstruction is.

Him and Clyne are two lovely bits of sweetcorn in the turd.

Probably the worst England squad i've ever seen, most of the squad have either been injured or have been playing really really really shit.