timnufc22

Lets try and get things organised then. Have you let your feelings known to NUST? or NUFC.com etc, people who could get the ball rolling in terms of organisation?

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?nufc2009

A boycott should be organised imo. Enough is enough, we've been here before.

That 20m crap is just to try and put him in a good light. Of couse he's putting money into the club, he owns it, he has to to keep it going.

Disgraceful, sick news. Almost lost for words with pure rage, the fans have to do something now.

Did Alan Smith get sent off and miss the final 3 games of the season ? Aye people did over-look that Smith's tackle was reckless, and Smith should have came under scrunity even if the ref done nothing.

press association ain't exactly bullshitters But they will be being fed by the same sources as the Times, Mirror etc.... and usually thats not from the ashley point of view as simon bird and caulkin are both harsh critics of him. Ashley slanted "exclusives" tend to appear in the news of the world and the sun (see llambias interview during summer, what keegan was suing for recently in the sun, keegans "wish list" in notw last year you being serious? you reference the 2 national journalists who actually like Newcastle as a club and say therefore the press association won't be fed Ashley's bollocks and are you being serious with the outcome of the keegan case showing them as a bunch of liars that any press organisation with a shred of dignity would take anything that comes from the ashley regime as anything other than a bunch of self serving lies Skysports gave the man at the centre of it all the chance to "give his side of the story" without the slightest bit of interrogation, not sure I can hold the press association in any higher regard. After all a source is a source to them, at least its better than making them up as many of the papers seem to. skysports are just interested in getting more viewers on and with keegan haven given his side on espn they may have felt they needed to match that by getting wise to give his side The disgusting thing about that, was that the facts were out in the public domain. They talked to Wise, even laughed about what had went on, under a context that suggested the facts wernt out there. Slimy, soul-less arseholes.

Keegan says he was verbally told at the meeting he'd have final say. Ashley denied it. Believe who you want.

The thing is about that - remember what every talks about with Man U, and what we need? That seige mentality. Bring it all on if people are blinded by media spin, brilliant, because if its us against the world we would have that seige mentality that would work for us, just like Man U. 'know likes us, we dont care, because what we do on the pitch speaks for itself'. That would very much apply.

Becuase when he was forced out, everyone was chuffed he was here and had confidence in him carrying on doing what was a good job. The only thing that has changed since then and now regarding KK is that its a fact he was stitched up. Why should peoples opinion of him be any different now, then it was last year?

This. However many posts from HTT etc keep the romantic toss rolling, it remains just that. Sentimental bollocks. Saying its 'just sentimental bollocks' is narrow-minded and bollocks itself.

Rightly said, f*** the lot of them. I dont like it because some people might well buy into it. Buy into the tosh coming out of Wise's mouth, and the general 'poor Dennis' attitude of soul-less skysports.

Aye, that was priceless coming from a bloke who gave us several utterly gash signings and is STILL taking £20k a week out of the club himself. Exactly, I just cant believe the slimyness, the total & utter cheek of that horrible man. And skysports are total slimeballs too. Dennis? ... "In view of our conclusion on the Sixth Issue, it follows, as was accepted on behalf of Mr Keegan, that he is entitled to no further damages. However, if we had had to address this issue, we would have decided that the publication of a finding by us that Mr Keegan had resigned because he had been constructively dismissed by the Club and not because he had decided to walk away, would restore his reputation and in evidence he agreed with that proposition." Go on Dennis, keep em coming, get them 25m comments rolling out, keep that smear campaign rolling, dont let your head go down, keep trying. You utter bastard. He contracted himself about stuff again in that interview, no wonder the panel we're confused by these idiots.

Brilliant post, spot on imo.

My point yes he's Kevin Keegan, but any 'crazyness' & sentimentality that comes with that appointment doesnt actually have any bearing on the likelyhood hes potentially the best man out there for the job, and would be able to do well in the job, and take this club forward, which is what we all want.

Has he said anything yet? I think they'll avoid it tbh. Not yet. Keys said something like "we'll talk about Newcastle a bit later", to which Wise replied "not a problem". Most likely will be generic comments that don't give anything away. I'm expecting Souness to chip in with bullshit about the fans being unrealistic too. It is just simply disgusting they have got Wise on there. Keys joking around "hes not too popular in the NE" hehe, funny isnt it? He's not too popular because he undermined a respected honanourable football man in KK by undermining him, and lying to everyone connected with NUFC - FACT. not opinion, FACT. Yet there they are getting him in to have a nice giggle with him about him 'eee bieng so unpopular naughy boy hehe anyway, chelsea legend....'. While all they focused on is the money that was claimed for Keegan on repuation damaged up until he he is 65(!) when the verdict was given and all these facts and shambolic treatment came out in the public domain, which was the real issue of the verdict, yet they have Graame Sounness sitting there in their studios having got a massive pay cheque for - not bieng stitched up like Keegan - but for doing a shambolic job at Nufc.

Why would getting KK back at nufc potentially be looked on as crazy? "Theres more than just 1 manager out there" "blinded by sentiment", "it will end in tears", "short-sited". Think about it more though. It is actually short sited to dismiss Keegan as a candidate for the job in my opinion. If it has been proved that KK was forced out the club, then why should the feeling people had for him last year be any different now? It has been proved his position was untenable, and that he was effectivley stitched up. This has been done so by him taking those con men to court to get the truth out. In fact, he had to do it regardless, because those con men were going to sue him for 2m (even though they, as a fact, forced him out themselves). It is utterly irrelevant what price his lawyers have put onto reputation damages as a) Its common high price tactics, the point isnt thinking they would ever get anything near because they obviously (nor KK) didnt, that was calculating a loss in potential future earnings through repuation damage Ashley could have caused until he is - 65! b) Keegan wanted his reputation cleared through evidence and accpted this instead of going for any money, as long the truth came out. Its there on paper. On the football side where it matters - Keegan is a very good manager. He, after a slow start, managed get a very poor Newcastle team playing quality football, resotring confidence. He took the decision when fighting relegation to utalise the biggest strength of the squad in his opinion - the 3 strikers. It was a masterstroke to put Owen in a deeper role as it played perfectley into his style of play at this stage of his career. He's supposedly out of touch with the game according to cynics, yet he still had enough contacts in the game to bring in unknown Seb Bassong for example. Yes, there ARE other managers out there. The thing is - we dont exactly have Guus Hiddink knocking on our door! ANY manager is a risk, its ALWAYS a risk. Obviously you want to minimise that risk, and some cynics might say "not with KK" - well, no, not if the owner is Mike Ashley or someone just as incredibily stupid is the owner. "It will end in tears because he might not do well and tarnish his status" .... But he could very likely actually do very well! And if that was to be the case, wouldlnt that be what this game is ultimately about? And isnt it something worth striving for? And it comes back to that, not only could he do very well as oppose to badly, but the chances are he WOULD do very well, bcause again, HES ACTUALLY A VERY GOOD MANAGER. "Obsessed with legends" ... ok, but again, isnt the status and appreciation someone can work hard for and gain a big side of football, and a big part of what attracts us to the game? Really, when you think about it, thinking about memories of the game? Isnt that romantic aspect something that should not be looked down at? Even more so in the game these days where cheating is more common than ever, more & more souless stadiums bieng rolled out, fans bieng outpriced, superfictial hype more & more constant? The notion of Keegan coming back that 2nd time as manager for unfinished business - potentially lifting a trophy or pushing the club forward, restoring pride & potentially european football - while in the manner he'd no doubt want - that notion was brilliant, special, and would have been uncredibly satisfying. The notion now of him coming back for a 3rd time as manager with fire in his belly, unfinished business more than ever, putting right Ashley total mess, and going on to do well and take the club forward, restoring pride - because he is actually very much capable of doing so sentiment aside - is something that should not be ignored & dismissed. Personally, I'd wouthout a doubt persue it.

I'd like to think this outcome would open the door for any possible return.

Bassong?

that's as bad as saying we should appoint someone because the fans would like it. that shouldn't really come into it. Thats a bit naive. You don't think the overall distain for Sam Allardyce/Graeme Souness was a factor in their tenure at NUFC? i said 'shouldn't' as it does to an extent. i think that is a bit different though, as that is fans responding to what has happened on the pitch, rather than some irrational dislike. The reason behind the dislike doesn't matter that much imo, it's all relevant to how much time it takes for the crowd to turn on a manager. A large portion of fans would be on Keegan's back from day one. Why should they be? I'd like to think it wouldnt be a large portion once people get round to reading all the facts of this outcome, and it all sinks in. He's vindicated in his choice to 'leave'. He wanted to stay to take the club forward, but he wasnt able to. He'd want to do the same if back in that dug-out, and undoubedly would imo if we had a competant owner. I really, really don't care whether you think Keegan is right/wrong/sexy/cool, as it is completely irrelevant to the point I am making. Unless you want to go around Newcastle and individually persuade EVERY Newcastle fan who dislikes Keegan, then he's a poor choice as manager. May as well hire Sam. Im questioning why anyone would be on his back from day 1. I also dont think it would be a poor choice if some of the fans were dubious about him because I think he'd win them over, as long as he's not bieng stitched up behind the scenes of course. You dont agree with me, thats fine & nowt wrong with that.

that's as bad as saying we should appoint someone because the fans would like it. that shouldn't really come into it. Thats a bit naive. You don't think the overall distain for Sam Allardyce/Graeme Souness was a factor in their tenure at NUFC? i said 'shouldn't' as it does to an extent. i think that is a bit different though, as that is fans responding to what has happened on the pitch, rather than some irrational dislike. The reason behind the dislike doesn't matter that much imo, it's all relevant to how much time it takes for the crowd to turn on a manager. A large portion of fans would be on Keegan's back from day one. Why should they be? I'd like to think it wouldnt be a large portion once people get round to reading all the facts of this outcome, and it all sinks in. He's vindicated in his choice to 'leave'. He wanted to stay to take the club forward, but he wasnt able to. He'd want to do the same if back in that dug-out, and undoubedly would imo if we had a competant owner.

I honestly believe Keegan as manager would be looking forward; taking the club forward. At a glance, it looks an un-thought, narrow minded opinion. But I genuinley dont have that opnion as narrow minded choice, I totally understand hes not the only good manager out there etc. Theres nothing wrong with people thinking differently, thats fine. But I genuinley, rationally think he's the best man for the job.

Same here. I'd have him back, no doubt - for the good of the club. Its not daft, its not crazy, its actually common sense imo. This is totally right imo.

Just utter utter bastards. Leading a club legend down a garden path to sell 3 year season tickets, its just shambolic, and this lot, try as they might to save their own arses, are not going to (or should not be allowed to) mess up a Legend's repuation. Keegan was right, and is someone who is always welcome back at SJP.

Same here. I'd have him back, no doubt - for the good of the club.