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What a fantastic comparison Hiddink Because its not about managerial ability, its about standards and being lied to, so any man worth his salt wouldnt have been impressed with what was going on, obvious really, but I assume you already know that too? PSV Eredivisie Winner : 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2005–06 KNVB Cup Winner : 1988, 1989, 1990, 2005 European Cup Winner : 1988 Real Madrid Intercontinental Cup Winner : 1998 Chelsea FA Cup Winner (1): 2009 Netherlands UEFA Euro 1996 Quarter Finals 1998 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place South Korea 2002 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place Australia 2006 FIFA World Cup Second Round Russia UEFA Euro 2008 Semi Final Keegan Newcastle United Football League Division One: Champion 1992–93 Fulham Football League Second Division: Champion 1998–99 Manchester City Football League Division One: Champion 2001–02 England Euro 2000 : Group Stages I think the fact you are pretending I'm comparing Keegan & Hiddink as manager's in terms of achievements says it all, your not reslly interested in having a sensible conversation are you? More interested in your ' eeee god look how far out he is '. I was comparing how ANY manager would have felt when Dennis Wise told them the Gonzalez story. I'm sure someone like Hiddink would not accepted stuff like that, like most managers. I think you already knew that, but were still sad enough to dig up every detail of the cv's of both managers. Why did you compare his reaction to what you suppose Hiddink's would be then? Because its not about managerial ability, its about standards and being lied to, so any man worth his salt wouldnt have been impressed with what was going on, obvious really, but I assume you already know that too? There's potentially nothing wrong with the system they wanted to implement. The problem was that they didn't make it clear who had what roles, and that they ultimately appointed the wrong people/personalities into every role in their system. If they wanted a manager who would work under a director of football, Keegan should have been a million miles away from the top of their shortlist. I agree in general, I'd say the way the they went about the system was terrible (like you say, possiblity because of the wrong people appointed, like Wise) and the lack of respect shown to someone like Keegan was disgraceful. I think the reason Ashley got him was to sell 3 year season tickets and rake in as much merchandise sales as possible, effectively just using his name.

"Finally, the Club’s own witnesses themselves seemed to be unclear as to what was the position as to who would have the final say and we had, and continue to have, real difficulty in understanding the Club’s position on this point." Thats a shambles really, isnt it. "Although we heard a considerable amount of evidence as to events which took place in the months which followed Mr Keegan’s appointment, in view of our conclusions, we can proceed at once to the events which culminated in Mr Keegan’s resignation on 4 September 2008." It would be interesting to know which events they were. " In any event, it is clear that the “final final straw” occurred on 4 September when the Club handed to him the letter to which we have referred above in which it made it clear that were he to remain at the Club he would still not have the final say." For Keegan to stay at the club at the point, he would've had to be happy to be Dennis Wise's & Ashley's puppet, and lie to the fans week in week out, hense his position untenable, imo "This was repeated by some of the Club’s witnesses (i.e. that the position was that Mr Keegan had the final say save for financial or commercial deals) but some of those same witnesses then asserted later in their evidence that Mr Keegan never had the final say and Mr Wise was not prepared to accept that Mr Keegan ever had the final say, even apart from financial and commercials deals. This lack of clarity, indeed confusion, in the understanding of the Club’s own representatives as to this critical issue makes it, in our view, even less likely that it would and should have been clear to Mr Keegan from what he was told at the meeting on 16 January 2008 that he would not have the final say. " With Gutierez, Collocini, and Xisco, perhaps Dennis Wise simply classed them as his signings (and him being in control) with Keegan giving the ok on the terms of being relativley impressed enough with what he had saw and on the basis that other players he himself had mind himself would also be brought to the club before the deadline shut.

What a fantastic comparison Hiddink Because its not about managerial ability, its about standards and being lied to, so any man worth his salt wouldnt have been impressed with what was going on, obvious really, but I assume you already know that too? PSV Eredivisie Winner : 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2005–06 KNVB Cup Winner : 1988, 1989, 1990, 2005 European Cup Winner : 1988 Real Madrid Intercontinental Cup Winner : 1998 Chelsea FA Cup Winner (1): 2009 Netherlands UEFA Euro 1996 Quarter Finals 1998 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place South Korea 2002 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place Australia 2006 FIFA World Cup Second Round Russia UEFA Euro 2008 Semi Final Keegan Newcastle United Football League Division One: Champion 1992–93 Fulham Football League Second Division: Champion 1998–99 Manchester City Football League Division One: Champion 2001–02 England Euro 2000 : Group Stages I think the fact you are pretending I'm comparing Keegan & Hiddink as manager's in terms of achievements says it all, your not reslly interested in having a sensible conversation are you? More interested in your ' eeee god look how far out he is '. I was comparing how ANY manager would have felt when Dennis Wise told them the Gonzalez story. I'm sure someone like Hiddink would not accepted stuff like that, like most managers. I think you already knew that, but were still sad enough to dig up every detail of the cv's of both managers. Why did you compare his reaction to what you suppose Hiddink's would be then? Because its not about managerial ability, its about standards and being lied to, so any man worth his salt wouldnt have been impressed with what was going on, obvious really, but I assume you already know that too?

What a fantastic comparison Hiddink PSV Eredivisie Winner : 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2005–06 KNVB Cup Winner : 1988, 1989, 1990, 2005 European Cup Winner : 1988 Real Madrid Intercontinental Cup Winner : 1998 Chelsea FA Cup Winner (1): 2009 Netherlands UEFA Euro 1996 Quarter Finals 1998 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place South Korea 2002 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place Australia 2006 FIFA World Cup Second Round Russia UEFA Euro 2008 Semi Final Keegan Newcastle United Football League Division One: Champion 1992–93 Fulham Football League Second Division: Champion 1998–99 Manchester City Football League Division One: Champion 2001–02 England Euro 2000 : Group Stages I think the fact you are pretending I'm comparing Keegan & Hiddink as manager's in terms of achievements says it all, your not reslly interested in having a sensible conversation are you? More interested in your ' eeee god look how far out he is '. I was comparing how ANY manager would have felt when Dennis Wise told them the Gonzalez story. I'm sure someone like Hiddink would not accepted stuff like that, like most managers. I think you already knew that, but were still sad enough to dig up every detail of the cv's of both managers. unfortunatly i doubt the gonzalez stroy is a rarity and anyone who thinks managers will have the final say in all comings and goings is naive. IIm sure its not, but this was when the squad was desperately short in certain area's, only a day before the transfer window shut, and when any trust you would have with your DOF would be broken ("Ive got a great player for you"). And Im sure that that any other favour's to other ganets in football at least get returned (where were the south american wonder kids in January?). Its not exactly impressive stuff (to say the least) for any manager who is serious about taking the club forward.

What a fantastic comparison Hiddink PSV Eredivisie Winner : 1986–87, 1987–88, 1988–89, 2002–03, 2004–05, 2005–06 KNVB Cup Winner : 1988, 1989, 1990, 2005 European Cup Winner : 1988 Real Madrid Intercontinental Cup Winner : 1998 Chelsea FA Cup Winner (1): 2009 Netherlands UEFA Euro 1996 Quarter Finals 1998 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place South Korea 2002 FIFA World Cup Fourth Place Australia 2006 FIFA World Cup Second Round Russia UEFA Euro 2008 Semi Final Keegan Newcastle United Football League Division One: Champion 1992–93 Fulham Football League Second Division: Champion 1998–99 Manchester City Football League Division One: Champion 2001–02 England Euro 2000 : Group Stages I think the fact you are pretending I'm comparing Keegan & Hiddink as manager's in terms of achievements says it all, your not reslly interested in having a sensible conversation are you? More interested in your ' eeee god look how far out he is '. I was comparing how ANY manager would have felt when Dennis Wise told them the Gonzalez story. I'm sure someone like Hiddink would not accepted stuff like that, like most managers. I think you already knew that, but were still sad enough to dig up every detail of the cv's of both managers.

Can I ask these people who dont trust Keegan, how we're you feeling when he went? When everything kicked off, at the Hull game etc? Do you know the opinion around that time he'd been treated like crap has been proved correct? Have you read the tribunal report? Do you think Hiddink would have been happy when Dennis Wise tells him to look at a great player on Youtube, the clips are rubbish, then Mr Wise tells him the quality of the player is actually irrelevant, that he just wants to do a favour for an agent? On the second last day of the transfer window, thats what your DOF is busy doing?

Love his effort, class performance.

I'm sure the Portsmouth fans thought that every owner they've had this season would automatically pay the bills but they haven't. I'm grateful that our owner has paid our bills and that we'll hopefully be in the top league next season because without him this season we would be unlikely to be in the position that we are. That doesn't change what he's done wrong in the past and it doesn't make any mistake any easier, it just makes our future look a little bit brighter. You could rightly point out that he's part of the reason why we are in this division, that doesn't change where we are now and where we look to be heading. Like I've already said we can only hope to change the future, not the past. Yes, and thats what Im saying, I'm grateful we're not Portsmouth, but again that comes back to Mike Ashley not being even more of a twat and refusing to pay them after his mistakes - he dosent deserve thanks for that. The comments from Llambias are implying that he shouldnt really be paying the bills and ignoring the main reasons those bills are there to be paid - that deserve a response imo, a response that says 'we're not going to fall for patronising crap like that'.

So because some fans wish that more would join in when 3,000 are singing (and yes, most the time its backing the team!!), that equals "oh look, they think theyre better than everyone else" does it? No, just some fans want the atmosphere to be as loud as possible, thats all! Bloody hell man. The odd time I've heard the strawberry corner chant 'the corner', I havent thought 'ahh theyre up their own arses', I thought "quality! Good stuff! Lets make this place a wall of noise!".

I'm not miles away from your thinking but the proof of what he has done so far is that he's taking nothing out of the club and he's said that he'll never take anything out. So far the clubs accounts have backed that up and he's put more than ever in this season, he can't do any more than he's done. He can stop his MD from making (although its just his mouthpiece) patronising & offensive comments about his 'customers', he can appoint a proper football MD to run that side of the club instead of a mate, he can talk for himself the on tv the odd time. As for backing the manager in the future, we all hope he does, and wait to see what happens on that front, but people are rightly skeptical, and he dosent deserve total trust back. He's payed the bills, and covered the costs of his shambolic mistakes, and not put us into administration. Quite frankly I'd expect that, and while I do appreciate things could be worse, and thankfully the owner does have deep pockets, West Ham for example are obviously a worse siatuion, I dont agree with Llambias comments that we should be grateful Ashley has not been even more of a t*** and refused to pay the bills - that dosent mean he 'cant do anymore', imo.

The team & Hughton not only deserve most the credit for hopefully getting straight back up, but are regularly getting vocal credit, Enrique's, S Taylor's, Lovenkrands' and now Collocicni's names have more often than not been belted out at home games, and Hughton is getting his name sung too. Credit is being given on matchday where it should be. Knowing all of this, I cant believe the snobbery of some comments on here about the fans who are at the LC. Just because on a side note certain songs are repeated to the away fans quite often, and that fans let Ashley know they dont concur with his MD's statement that 'most fans have been won over' (aswell as the other patronising & insulting comments).

Why shouldn't he go into town after a game? Why should they or anybody else be unable to go out in town? fair question Aye thats fair enough, I wouldnt use violence against them and itd be wrong for anyone else to. I just think they both have little respect for the fans, so the image of them partying with their 'customers' that they've shafted while potentially concluding a deal for the stadium to be called Asda@SJP is a bit slimy. But like I said, they should obviously have the right to go where they want, and if they seriously want to make ahmends and make the club succesful, and that happens, then Im sure it will be easier for them to do so.

I cant understand how you can put decisions such as letting Dennis Wise tell the manager to look on YouTube at this 'great player' when Wise has never seem him play and he's leading the manager down the garden path in order to satisfy some agents, into the context you've just said above. The same goes for a lot of other things such as the stadium name change. Its obviously not malice I know in terms of "I'm gonna show everyone Im a b******!", but its total ignorance to put it lightly, and seemingly putting his mates/ego first ahead of the club. I dont wanna get into a pointless argument, I understand that on the financial side in that any fan should obviously be happy he has the money to finance the club, because I as a fan think that; at least he's got the money and we havent got someone financially crippling the club with huge loans, I fully undertsand that. But that dosent mean he hasnt screwed the club over in other ways with his disgraceful decisions, which continued up until only October last year, which is why anger towards him (with prespective in mind also) is blatently understandable.

Chris Mort in May 2008... "This club had £100million-worth of debt which has now been cleared" Months later, Mike Ashley... "I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt." Can I ask that with money being so tight and Mike going through a difficult time, why (if true) is Dennis Wise still on the payroll? Again though, the main point is even if these reports are true, its the pathetic 'poor mike' tone that his people are coming out with, as if we should be giving him a pat on the pat for paying the bills of the club he owns and for the results of his disgraceful behaviour. Or because he didnt put us in administartion - "thanks for bieng just a total c*nt, and not choosing to be an even more of a total c*nt, thanks so much."

It's mostly his fault that we're in this situation, you c***s. Don't get me wrong, i blame Mike Ashley for us being in the CCC but i'm not sure the financial side i his fault. He's the one that didnt have relegation clauses in the contracts of players we signed under him. True, but he did pay off however many million when he bought the club (that is if he was tellin' the truth about that) Only after he didnt bother to check the books - had he seen the debt he might well have not bothered, mike ashley did not come along and say 'ahhh I'll save good old nufc', he is stuck with us after f*cking up and we are stuck with him. In terms of 'stupid player salaries' that he may complain is killing the club, he's the one who was in charge when a lot of these contracts were handed out. And one minute he said the whole debt was cleared then months later he says 'theres still a lot of debt'. And in which way has he paid it off, a loan? He might well be wanting that back.

He's got nothing to complain about, the fact they have the cheek to put out these 'poor mike' stories just show what total piss-taking wankers they are.

It's mostly his fault that we're in this situation, you c***s. Don't get me wrong, i blame Mike Ashley for us being in the CCC but i'm not sure the financial side i his fault. He's the one that didnt have relegation clauses in the contracts of players we signed under him.

5.2 The Club admitted to the Tribunal that it repeatedly and intentionally misled the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United "We'd be like Portsmouth if he didnt pay the bills after getting relegated" ... WE GOT RELEGATED BECAUSE OF HIM, I'd fully expect him to pay the bills, he owns the damn bloody club, and completely took the piss and the cost was relegation.

I like that, perhaps with Guthrie instead of Smith though. It's basically that Keegan formation which was great. But I would like to see Routledge in Best's position because of his pace and ability and therefore Guthrie in on the Routledge position. And I would switch Smith with Barton as soon as Barton is 100% fit. Aye I was thinking about Routledge in the hole, hes got a bit of craft about him, and having Guthrie in the middle instead. But I was thinking with Routledge being a midfielder though, his tendancy might be to drop back too often, and to the right, where-as Best is a forward, and his instincts for making runs into the box should be better, effectively pushing them back more. He also seems a neat & tidy player who holds the ball quite well which is important for that position. Also like any new player, he needs a sustained run in the side, and to be given time to find his feet.

___________Lovenkrands_____Carroll______________ _____________________Best_____________________ ____________Jonas____Smith____Routledge_________ Van Arnalt_____Williamson____Collocini________Simpson We have too many rigid players so we should come up with something more flexable. Best could ghost into the box unmarked, obviously adventurous but Jonas & Routledge cant do any worse than Nolan & Guthrie more central, and they can pull out wide when we have the ball. Take the bull by the horns, give them something to worry about, when they arrive at SJP we should want them to see the team sheet and be thinking "shit, what do we do here, who's going to pick him up?".

Absolutely sick of that shit head doing that week in week out, why wasnt he punished? Is it acceptable now like? Total disgrace.

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus. There’s too much s*** attached to KK’s last stint as manager for him to come back again. His return would open up divisions in the ranks that haven’t properly healed yet, despite KK being vindicated in a court of law. I doubt Ashley will be selling soon. He might if somebody offered him £200m, but that’s not going to happen. I think his plan is to get promoted but to run the club on a championship budget - use the extra PL to repay the £100m loan. It’s a high risk strategy but if we can manage to avoid relegation for three seasons he’ll have his £100m back and be left with a debt free championship club he could flog for about £100m. This way he can sell the club without losing any money. That does confuse me Everyone wanted him re-installed after he went, and again the only thing thats changed since is we know how he was unbelievably stitched up... ? There were many who bought into the Keegan walked because wasn’t allowed to sign Henry type mud that was being slung around. By the time the tribunal ruled in his favour (and all the nonsense about recruiting players off youtube and the club lying to the supporters about who was in charge of recruitment came to light) it was too late – too many supporters had nailed their flag to the wrong mast and after months of infighting we’re never going to admit they got it wrong. Keegan has become a thorny issue, which is a travesty but sadly also a reality. Better to try and remember the good times and move on. Aye a know how you mean now. The fact the con men stained his name for some people would make success under him even sweeter. Any doubters would soon be following in appreciation again if he worked his magic Im sure, football's such a of-the-moment game. A seige mentality could be created in the midst of media ridicule. I understand what your saying about move on etc, but to dissmiss him would be moving on for the sake of it if anything, despite what could be best for nufc, if some people brush aside the cliche's & murky media-influenced perception, imo of course.

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus. There’s too much s*** attached to KK’s last stint as manager for him to come back again. His return would open up divisions in the ranks that haven’t properly healed yet, despite KK being vindicated in a court of law. I doubt Ashley will be selling soon. He might if somebody offered him £200m, but that’s not going to happen. I think his plan is to get promoted but to run the club on a championship budget - use the extra PL to repay the £100m loan. It’s a high risk strategy but if we can manage to avoid relegation for three seasons he’ll have his £100m back and be left with a debt free championship club he could flog for about £100m. This way he can sell the club without losing any money. That does confuse me Everyone wanted him re-installed after he went, and again the only thing thats changed since is we know how he was unbelievably stitched up... ?

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus. While I agree Keegan would be a great choice as manager, I just don't think he'd realistically be able to work under the sort of budget Hughton is working with. The reality is that in future most managers are going to have to work under tight financial constraints the way football is going. Aye, the budget Hughton is working with is about making baby steps. True I can also see there being more financial constraints in general, although every ownership wont be exactly the same. I dont think he needs crazy budget, ambitious yes, but just to simply be allowed to spend whatever budget he has as he see's fit, like every manager.

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus.