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So because some fans wish that more would join in when 3,000 are singing (and yes, most the time its backing the team!!), that equals "oh look, they think theyre better than everyone else" does it? No, just some fans want the atmosphere to be as loud as possible, thats all! Bloody hell man. The odd time I've heard the strawberry corner chant 'the corner', I havent thought 'ahh theyre up their own arses', I thought "quality! Good stuff! Lets make this place a wall of noise!".

I'm not miles away from your thinking but the proof of what he has done so far is that he's taking nothing out of the club and he's said that he'll never take anything out. So far the clubs accounts have backed that up and he's put more than ever in this season, he can't do any more than he's done. He can stop his MD from making (although its just his mouthpiece) patronising & offensive comments about his 'customers', he can appoint a proper football MD to run that side of the club instead of a mate, he can talk for himself the on tv the odd time. As for backing the manager in the future, we all hope he does, and wait to see what happens on that front, but people are rightly skeptical, and he dosent deserve total trust back. He's payed the bills, and covered the costs of his shambolic mistakes, and not put us into administration. Quite frankly I'd expect that, and while I do appreciate things could be worse, and thankfully the owner does have deep pockets, West Ham for example are obviously a worse siatuion, I dont agree with Llambias comments that we should be grateful Ashley has not been even more of a t*** and refused to pay the bills - that dosent mean he 'cant do anymore', imo.

The team & Hughton not only deserve most the credit for hopefully getting straight back up, but are regularly getting vocal credit, Enrique's, S Taylor's, Lovenkrands' and now Collocicni's names have more often than not been belted out at home games, and Hughton is getting his name sung too. Credit is being given on matchday where it should be. Knowing all of this, I cant believe the snobbery of some comments on here about the fans who are at the LC. Just because on a side note certain songs are repeated to the away fans quite often, and that fans let Ashley know they dont concur with his MD's statement that 'most fans have been won over' (aswell as the other patronising & insulting comments).

Why shouldn't he go into town after a game? Why should they or anybody else be unable to go out in town? fair question Aye thats fair enough, I wouldnt use violence against them and itd be wrong for anyone else to. I just think they both have little respect for the fans, so the image of them partying with their 'customers' that they've shafted while potentially concluding a deal for the stadium to be called Asda@SJP is a bit slimy. But like I said, they should obviously have the right to go where they want, and if they seriously want to make ahmends and make the club succesful, and that happens, then Im sure it will be easier for them to do so.

I cant understand how you can put decisions such as letting Dennis Wise tell the manager to look on YouTube at this 'great player' when Wise has never seem him play and he's leading the manager down the garden path in order to satisfy some agents, into the context you've just said above. The same goes for a lot of other things such as the stadium name change. Its obviously not malice I know in terms of "I'm gonna show everyone Im a b******!", but its total ignorance to put it lightly, and seemingly putting his mates/ego first ahead of the club. I dont wanna get into a pointless argument, I understand that on the financial side in that any fan should obviously be happy he has the money to finance the club, because I as a fan think that; at least he's got the money and we havent got someone financially crippling the club with huge loans, I fully undertsand that. But that dosent mean he hasnt screwed the club over in other ways with his disgraceful decisions, which continued up until only October last year, which is why anger towards him (with prespective in mind also) is blatently understandable.

Chris Mort in May 2008... "This club had £100million-worth of debt which has now been cleared" Months later, Mike Ashley... "I then poured another £110 million into the club not to pay off the debt but just to reduce it. The club is still in debt." Can I ask that with money being so tight and Mike going through a difficult time, why (if true) is Dennis Wise still on the payroll? Again though, the main point is even if these reports are true, its the pathetic 'poor mike' tone that his people are coming out with, as if we should be giving him a pat on the pat for paying the bills of the club he owns and for the results of his disgraceful behaviour. Or because he didnt put us in administartion - "thanks for bieng just a total c*nt, and not choosing to be an even more of a total c*nt, thanks so much."

It's mostly his fault that we're in this situation, you c***s. Don't get me wrong, i blame Mike Ashley for us being in the CCC but i'm not sure the financial side i his fault. He's the one that didnt have relegation clauses in the contracts of players we signed under him. True, but he did pay off however many million when he bought the club (that is if he was tellin' the truth about that) Only after he didnt bother to check the books - had he seen the debt he might well have not bothered, mike ashley did not come along and say 'ahhh I'll save good old nufc', he is stuck with us after f*cking up and we are stuck with him. In terms of 'stupid player salaries' that he may complain is killing the club, he's the one who was in charge when a lot of these contracts were handed out. And one minute he said the whole debt was cleared then months later he says 'theres still a lot of debt'. And in which way has he paid it off, a loan? He might well be wanting that back.

He's got nothing to complain about, the fact they have the cheek to put out these 'poor mike' stories just show what total piss-taking wankers they are.

It's mostly his fault that we're in this situation, you c***s. Don't get me wrong, i blame Mike Ashley for us being in the CCC but i'm not sure the financial side i his fault. He's the one that didnt have relegation clauses in the contracts of players we signed under him.

5.2 The Club admitted to the Tribunal that it repeatedly and intentionally misled the press, public and the fans of Newcastle United "We'd be like Portsmouth if he didnt pay the bills after getting relegated" ... WE GOT RELEGATED BECAUSE OF HIM, I'd fully expect him to pay the bills, he owns the damn bloody club, and completely took the piss and the cost was relegation.

I like that, perhaps with Guthrie instead of Smith though. It's basically that Keegan formation which was great. But I would like to see Routledge in Best's position because of his pace and ability and therefore Guthrie in on the Routledge position. And I would switch Smith with Barton as soon as Barton is 100% fit. Aye I was thinking about Routledge in the hole, hes got a bit of craft about him, and having Guthrie in the middle instead. But I was thinking with Routledge being a midfielder though, his tendancy might be to drop back too often, and to the right, where-as Best is a forward, and his instincts for making runs into the box should be better, effectively pushing them back more. He also seems a neat & tidy player who holds the ball quite well which is important for that position. Also like any new player, he needs a sustained run in the side, and to be given time to find his feet.

___________Lovenkrands_____Carroll______________ _____________________Best_____________________ ____________Jonas____Smith____Routledge_________ Van Arnalt_____Williamson____Collocini________Simpson We have too many rigid players so we should come up with something more flexable. Best could ghost into the box unmarked, obviously adventurous but Jonas & Routledge cant do any worse than Nolan & Guthrie more central, and they can pull out wide when we have the ball. Take the bull by the horns, give them something to worry about, when they arrive at SJP we should want them to see the team sheet and be thinking "shit, what do we do here, who's going to pick him up?".

Absolutely sick of that shit head doing that week in week out, why wasnt he punished? Is it acceptable now like? Total disgrace.

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus. There’s too much s*** attached to KK’s last stint as manager for him to come back again. His return would open up divisions in the ranks that haven’t properly healed yet, despite KK being vindicated in a court of law. I doubt Ashley will be selling soon. He might if somebody offered him £200m, but that’s not going to happen. I think his plan is to get promoted but to run the club on a championship budget - use the extra PL to repay the £100m loan. It’s a high risk strategy but if we can manage to avoid relegation for three seasons he’ll have his £100m back and be left with a debt free championship club he could flog for about £100m. This way he can sell the club without losing any money. That does confuse me Everyone wanted him re-installed after he went, and again the only thing thats changed since is we know how he was unbelievably stitched up... ? There were many who bought into the Keegan walked because wasn’t allowed to sign Henry type mud that was being slung around. By the time the tribunal ruled in his favour (and all the nonsense about recruiting players off youtube and the club lying to the supporters about who was in charge of recruitment came to light) it was too late – too many supporters had nailed their flag to the wrong mast and after months of infighting we’re never going to admit they got it wrong. Keegan has become a thorny issue, which is a travesty but sadly also a reality. Better to try and remember the good times and move on. Aye a know how you mean now. The fact the con men stained his name for some people would make success under him even sweeter. Any doubters would soon be following in appreciation again if he worked his magic Im sure, football's such a of-the-moment game. A seige mentality could be created in the midst of media ridicule. I understand what your saying about move on etc, but to dissmiss him would be moving on for the sake of it if anything, despite what could be best for nufc, if some people brush aside the cliche's & murky media-influenced perception, imo of course.

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus. There’s too much s*** attached to KK’s last stint as manager for him to come back again. His return would open up divisions in the ranks that haven’t properly healed yet, despite KK being vindicated in a court of law. I doubt Ashley will be selling soon. He might if somebody offered him £200m, but that’s not going to happen. I think his plan is to get promoted but to run the club on a championship budget - use the extra PL to repay the £100m loan. It’s a high risk strategy but if we can manage to avoid relegation for three seasons he’ll have his £100m back and be left with a debt free championship club he could flog for about £100m. This way he can sell the club without losing any money. That does confuse me Everyone wanted him re-installed after he went, and again the only thing thats changed since is we know how he was unbelievably stitched up... ?

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus. While I agree Keegan would be a great choice as manager, I just don't think he'd realistically be able to work under the sort of budget Hughton is working with. The reality is that in future most managers are going to have to work under tight financial constraints the way football is going. Aye, the budget Hughton is working with is about making baby steps. True I can also see there being more financial constraints in general, although every ownership wont be exactly the same. I dont think he needs crazy budget, ambitious yes, but just to simply be allowed to spend whatever budget he has as he see's fit, like every manager.

Its pointless because Ashley isnt in it for the long term, as long as Ashley's we're not going to get someone better than Hughton. You cant say Mark Hughes is the best man out there, because no-one is going to achieve anything long term if the fat man's here. If new ownership came in then the likes of Hughes, Curbishley, Sven etc would be possibilites. I know some people wont agree, and some might think its narrow minded, but imo Keegan is the best man for this job. Its actually narrow minded, imo, dismiss him just because its KK. All this quit stuff is giving Ashley far too much credit as a owner, and I question whether a lot of Newcastle fans have read the tribunal. People we're demanding his return when he was forced out, they wernt crazy people then, 52,000 were saying the same thing... the only thing thats changed now is its been proved he was forced out, which is why my feelings are still the same. The team was heading in the rigth direction if we had made some good signings that summer, he's a top manager despite the cliche'd rubbish that goes around. The sentimental part is the incredibly brilliant bonus.

I can understand Hughton keeping faith with him recently, but he needs to make a decision now. Surley he cant keep playing in the middle, we just get totally over-run. Problem is Guthrie hasnt exactly got a brilliant engine on him either, but he might be better than Nolan until Barton gets fit enough.

No. 12? What relevance does that have.. because Boca do? If anything it should be Level 7. It means the 12th man, I like that idea. Personally I dont like the TU name... it potentially puts some people off and it should be a name that encourages more people to join in the same type of mentality imo. So we would basically be copying the Boro who call themselves The Twe12th Man? Is that right? Wouldnt want to be seen copying Boro like.

No. 12? What relevance does that have.. because Boca do? If anything it should be Level 7. It means the 12th man, I like that idea. Personally I dont like the TU name... it potentially puts some people off and it should be a name that encourages more people to join in the same type of mentality imo.

and the your support is f***ing s*** one. Who are ya is canny embarrasing like, even if its a canny funny to simply try & get get a reaction.

Maybe its someone writing with the frustration of how one section of the ground sings through-out most of the game, backing the team, and the rest of the ground rarely choose to join in? Maybe as someone who is passionate about Nufc it is bloody annoying that a lot of the supporters are more interested in moaning & groaning at any mistake than encouraging & supporting? Its fair enough you get a condescending impression of that quote, but why pretend that what I've said isnt the case, because it is. And it is ironic that the 'get out of out club song', a song which has been accused of creating a negative atmosphere (which is fair enough if thats your opinion), comes from the only part of the ground that seems to offer susatined positive encouragement through-out the game - with a lot of other fans choosing to go "AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!" when a player isnt being closed down in our half. I never once said anything about the so-called negative atmosphere created from up there, more the fact that there seems to be a holier-than-thou attitude from a lot of folk up there because they sing "get out of our club" and "your support is f***ing s***" a few times during the match. Aye I know you wernt accusing that song of being negative. Thats fair enough, although I would say that if you hear a lot of people saying on here about how good it is at L7 etc than there might well be some frustration behind what they are saying because of what I've just said.

Maybe its someone writing with the frustration of how one section of the ground sings through-out most of the game, backing the team, and the rest of the ground rarely choose to join in? Maybe as someone who is passionate about Nufc it is bloody annoying that a lot of the supporters are more interested in moaning & groaning at any mistake than encouraging & supporting? Its fair enough you get a condescending impression of that quote, but why pretend that what I've said isnt the case, because it is. And it is ironic that the 'get out of out club song', a song which has been accused of creating a negative atmosphere (which is fair enough if thats your opinion), comes from the only part of the ground that seems to offer susatined positive encouragement through-out the game - with a lot of other fans choosing to go "AAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH!!!!" when a player isnt being closed down in our half.

The main problem regarding any negative atmosphere in the ground is the groaning & abuse dished out to our own players as soon as someone isnt closed down, or a pass is mis-placed. I can understand it sometimes when Ameobi is jogging around not looking interested one bit, but not with with every player. I really dont think singing that song has any effect on the players, especially when you consider they hear what I've just said on a regular basis, and personally I dont want Ashley to ever feel like he's accepted back again.

No doubt he will keep repeating "I cant do anything at this club apart from survive, because of th limited budget, this club will always be a small club and people cant expect miracles."... even though its the same club and same limited budget Mark Hughes finished 6th & 8th with, Santa Cruz for 2.5m, shrewd transfer business... so what your saying fat sam is that your not as good a manager as Hughes?