timnufc22

And if not? A question to you and the open forum. The appointment of the right manager is the biggest thing Ashley can do, and where ambition can be judged on - where the actually position can then be looked upon as a credible one. And where Wise's role would also seem more credible. I want to believe they have good ambitions, but the fact they offered Kinnear 2 years makes that very hard to believe and can only make me think they want a yes man. But again, prove me & everyone else wrong in the summer, I'm willing & want to see him do that.

I am uncomfortable with Wise's role as it seems. Youth players? Brillaint, nothing wrong with that, good stuff & a refreshing change on trying to get the youth side right. Recruiting players for the first team? First of all, if that is what he does do, or has input in that side anyway, why didnt Derek Llambias club confirm this in his Q & A? Talking about players we have signed - a lot have been good yes, but we have also went into the season short on players & threadbare in some positions. This means the 'recruitment' has not exactly been a big success! And finally, I personally do not like the idea of a DOF having input & say about 1st team recruitment with the manager because a) I think there would always inevietable disagreements between DOF & manager and b) The manager lives & die's on results, he should have total control on the tools he chooses to have to gain those results - he gets sacked, the DOF dosent. But questions need to be asked for more details/confirmation on Dennis Wise's influence at the club, rather than straight 'Ashley/Wise Out' banners.

Screams 'no ambition'. I think its good to hear from Llambias finally, and its a start for better communication hopefully, so I think the academy side of things is good, and its refreshing to see young 17/18yr olds bieng snapped up, good for the future Also you can obviously understand the financial position - the wages are a bit of a killer, and the resession compouds things, so that obviously has to be acknowledged. The negatives for me; Dennis' Wise role - its still not clear Fair enough if its legal reasons etc (although would that not have been mentioned?). If his job is to 'look for players around the world', is his position not then a scout? If so, why not have the title 'scout'? "but thats not all he does so it wouldnt reflect his position"... so why didnt Llambias explain what else he does in his position!! Why does it have to be so bloody murky?? Its just really an uneasy position to have at the club for me. Joe Kinnear is who they wanted. Ok, if the manager's position is not one that comes with interference, and not a bit of a 'yes-man' job then why would the club not want to prove that and allay any doubts about that (of which there a many) by having the vision & ambition to search & try to appoint a good good manager? With respect the fact they wanted Kinnear does not give much credibility to the position on offer at all, and it is so so worrying that is their standards, and their mindset. That is the level they are working on, and road they are driving down... what other 'solutions' are they going to come with with down this road?

This. And appointing a good manager would be actions that speak for themselves, so its up to them to do that.

I agree, you never know maybe his attitude will change.

I'm on about more specific midfielders to take over from Butt more or less holding. We need to work Nolan into our play, he makes better runs into the box than Barton, if he can be found he would get more goals than Barton imo.

Not the finished article no way, and needs to add more bite to his game I'd say, but he could be a real quality player imo.

I'd want us to go for him in the summer. He's big, strong, and has an excellent pass on him. He might not get as many games at Spurs especially with Palacious coming in, and if he got his head right with hunger and wanted 1st team football I'd definetely try for him. Wouldnt mind seeing a line up like this next season (if we stay up): __________________________Martins_________Sturridge_____________________ _________________________________Tuncay________________________________ _________________Jonas_________Huddlestone_________Nolan_______________ Enrique_______________Bassong_________________?______________________Beye __________________________________Harper_______________________________ Sturridge again from Man City, chances will probably be limited, whenever I've seen him he looks potentially class, big lad, good skill. Tuncay could play that role just behind perfectly too. I still like Collocini, its just he's not the best in the air. Could still be a good player for us over the years, and him & Bassong could be a good partnership.

Or "Jose EnrIque!" clap clap, clap clap, clap... "Nobby Solano!" style.

Look at the Hull game, after the FACT statement, there was nothing at all the week leading up to the game, nothing. Nothing about plans to moving forward etc, the system etc.

He's a c**t. Just because he bigs us (the fans) up in the press doesn't mean his agenda is anything other than s*** stirring and feeding off scandal. And since when did NUSC become 'an official well run supporters club'?! I agree on some of the stuff he's wrote, especially the lack of communication, but other than anger and frustration he hasn't got any answers, same as most of the NUSC. I'm sick of hearing the same vague things from everyone about how we need to be 'treated with more respect' and all that bollocks. No regime in living memory has ever treated the fans with anything that could be called 'respect', especially not Freddy Shepherd... what we really mean is 'we'd like to be higher up the table please'. I wouldnt say its 'we'd like to be higher in the table', fans just want to see ambition surley. And no that does not mean spending loads & loads, yes the wages are acknowledged. I mean ambition by looking to get a better manager in - hearing Kinnear has been offered a contract worries people and dosent give the manager position much credibility if someone who has won 4 games is appointed. If Dennis Wise's role is nothing but helpful, surley there are good manager's who would want that? And talking about Wise, fans just want to know what specifically he does. Because they kinda have just seen a legend leave because of interference and Wise kinda has the title 'director of football'! Fans have just wanted the Chairman to communicate just thoughts on the football side, and his plans, his thinking.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club. Aye, but what do you want to happen as a result of it? That's the point. And how are you going to design a protest that actually achieves those outcomes? Otherwise it's just blowing hot air. For him to know that most have the same feeling towards him and for him know full-well that the fans want the club to be run in a much better way, to put pressure on him to do that, to get him to explain Wise's role, to get better people than bloody Llambias in, and also if he's not willing to change to put pressure on for him to sell if there are interest parties if we make life uncomfortable. Obviously theres for credit crunch (the club potentially having Premiership status in the summer makes it more attractive), so people arnt stupid, we know its a lot tougher to find buyers, but its not impossbile someone *might* come along and show an interest, you just dont know for certain. so, to put pressure on him to make 10's of millions of pounds loss then, in a nutshell? you dont know no-one would come in with an offer which isnt a loss, if he dosent change his ways and the fans are still with total contempt than yes I'd like to see pressure on him to sell at a loss. know what you're saying but there is simply no chance in hell he's getting his money back, none as long as we stay up the strength of feeling toward him from the masses won't reach fever pitch imo, go down different story...just don't see what any protest is going to realistically achieve I think once media get hold of things, and the microscope is put firmly over certain area's, then the chances of a change are better. Like on skysports, its never mentioned; what is Dennis Wise's role, if they covered report of a protest (or constant protests) of people asking that, then it would be discussed in the media a lot more, and there would be a lot more pressure to explain things for example. Nothings for certain, and the chances of change arnt exactly stacked in our favour, but you've gotta at least try imo.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club. Aye, but what do you want to happen as a result of it? That's the point. And how are you going to design a protest that actually achieves those outcomes? Otherwise it's just blowing hot air. For him to know that most have the same feeling towards him and for him know full-well that the fans want the club to be run in a much better way, to put pressure on him to do that, to get him to explain Wise's role, to get better people than bloody Llambias in, and also if he's not willing to change to put pressure on for him to sell if there are interest parties if we make life uncomfortable. Obviously theres for credit crunch (the club potentially having Premiership status in the summer makes it more attractive), so people arnt stupid, we know its a lot tougher to find buyers, but its not impossbile someone *might* come along and show an interest, you just dont know for certain. so, to put pressure on him to make 10's of millions of pounds loss then, in a nutshell? you dont know no-one would come in with an offer which isnt a loss, if he dosent change his ways and the fans are still with total contempt than yes I'd like to see pressure on him to sell at a loss.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club. Aye, but what do you want to happen as a result of it? That's the point. And how are you going to design a protest that actually achieves those outcomes? Otherwise it's just blowing hot air. For him to know that most have the same feeling towards him and for him know full-well that the fans want the club to be run in a much better way, to put pressure on him to do that, to get him to explain Wise's role, to get better people than bloody Llambias in, and also if he's not willing to change to put pressure on for him to sell if there are interest parties if we make life uncomfortable. Obviously theres for credit crunch (the club potentially having Premiership status in the summer makes it more attractive), so people arnt stupid, we know its a lot tougher to find buyers, but its not impossbile someone *might* come along and show an interest, you just dont know for certain.

Agreed and that should be what is being said, I'm sure more would get involved if that was the case. I think the thinking is that most are against the whole structure, and who put the strucure in there in the first place? Ashley, so its Ashley out... But yes, I agree the sentiment about the structure should be forced home.

So it's not Ashley out, it might be worth getting that message across. It might be easier to get a dialogue going with the club if it didn’t come across as Ashley out. Yes fair point, its about the whole structure.

To simply enforce the message that we do not accept the treatment given to us & the running of the club.

He was a million miles away from putting his all in for the team yesterday. Like someone said, lives in slow motion, stays on the ground unessaceraly, he really lacked effrot & application yesterday. Nothing to do with the fact he failed a fitness test before the game but still player, the lazy c*** So he must have failed fitness tests in 70% of all his other games? Because he was his usual self.

He was a million miles away from putting his all in for the team yesterday. Like someone said, lives in slow motion, stays on the ground unessaceraly, he really lacked effrot & application yesterday.

Yep, looks like thats the best we've got, imo. If only Owen or Oba were fit to play with Carroll!! Aye. Only things, I'd switch Jonas to the left, he's better there imo and can be more direct, Duff can comfortably play on the right aswell. And if Ryan Taylor can play, I'd have him in at RB instead of S Taylor.

He wanted out anyway, he's making the absolute most of that comment. It's just an excuse to leave quicker and to make himself look more innocent in this latest debacle. Yup. Dont think Kinnear meant anything.

I haven't thought of this, but it's certainly sounds like it's possible. Given's lawyers comments came out a day after Ashley announced it was off the market.

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Do you think Dennis had nothing to do with events at Newcastle United around 31/08/08? There's every possibility Wise was involved, but we don't know how or to what extent, why Keegan actually left or whether either of them were acting outside of the job they were employed to do. If it's proved Wise caused the problem by acting outside of his remit then he deserves all the stick he gets, but I'm still waiting for some proof of that. Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo. Ah so you haven't got a clue then. Thought so. Not a clue? Keegan left because he claims a player/players we're brought in that he didnt want. We have a director of football at the club, theres some clue's in there. Yeah but as I said, that doesn't prove that Wise, if he was involved, was doing anything other than what he was employed to do. If that's the case he's done absolutely nothing wrong. With the "facts" we have I could just as easily say that Keegan knew the structure he'd be working under when he joined. No we dont know for absolute certain, and it dosent PROVE it. If that did happen but someone else was more involved than Wise, then they are disruptive, or should I say if they are doing what they are employed to do than the system sis disruptive. People believe more on the side of Keegan because he walked out on the grounds he claimed, that we have this system in place, and that most people wouldnt believe he'd accept a system where players are bought over him if true. No-ones saying for a fact what happened, they are just very suspicious and tend to believe KK, because he walked out, and has said why.

Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Do you think Dennis had nothing to do with events at Newcastle United around 31/08/08? There's every possibility Wise was involved, but we don't know how or to what extent, why Keegan actually left or whether either of them were acting outside of the job they were employed to do. If it's proved Wise caused the problem by acting outside of his remit then he deserves all the stick he gets, but I'm still waiting for some proof of that. Well feel free to continue slating Wise before he's had the chance to prove whether he's up to the job or not. After all, slagging players before they've had a chance seems to be the norm around here so why not extend it to everyone else too. I'll wait and judge him on the players he brings in. But with what happened at the start of the season is a decent pointer to think its dsprutive. Also the fact that important holes we're not filled in the squad. Would you like to tell us all exactly what happened at the start of the season and what part Wise played in it then, because nobody else knows? Something happened which Keegan felt was bad enough to go, and that something is potentially signing a player/players that Keegan did not want. We dont know that for a fact, but people tend to believe Keegan, because of the fact he left. Regardless of what you believe happened, I dont believe that having a director of football bieng involved in player recruitment for the first team is a good thing. I believe it should be recruiting Academy players or nothing, the manager is the most important man and should be able to use whatever budget he has in the way he see's fit imo. Ah so you haven't got a clue then. Thought so. Not a clue? Keegan left because he claims a player/players we're brought in that he didnt want. We have a director of football at the club, theres some clue's in there.