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Am I being dumb or is that not 36 points we'd be on? Surely that wasn't 8th...

What did he say? Gave it a good go, and if Perez had better finishing we could easily have got a point. Said there was a few things to be positive about from that performance, and Stelling said the same a couple of times. It does suggest if we can get a couple of players in January, especially a striker, the rest of the team could rally. Thanks. Sounds like we're doomed elsewhere on here. People spitting their dummies out needlessly imo. It's the sort of mentality we need to cut out if we want to stay up. Negativity at this stage only breeds further negativity and we'll implode. The sentiment is right, but it's pretty difficult to find positives during this kind of run. Especially when it's not entirely down to abject performances, but rather a blindingly obvious gulf in quality. Just makes it difficult to see how it can be turned around. Other than buying what we need, obviously. Aye, I appreciate that, and I'm not sticking my head in the sand pretending everything is alright, cause it clearly isn't. I just think some people need to look at things a bit more objectively than just through Black and White eyes after a run of slightly more difficult fixtures. I mean, at the start of the season I wouldn't have necessarily expected much (if anything) from games vs Everton, Man United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Even then Leicester you'd maybe expect a point at home. As the season has progressed a point at home to Watford and away to Burnley would have been okay too I reckon. The most annoying result has been vs Bournemouth in this latest run of games because even a point away at West Brom isn't terrible (so long as we beat them at home). Yeah, I agree. For me, its frustration more than anything. One win in amongst this run and we're sitting quite happily in mid table. The teams around us suddenly finding form has only amplified the concern. Just have to hope that we do move quickly in January, and that we're not cut adrift by the time we do. Stating the obvious, but a win at West Ham could potentially be season saving. Aye, it would be a bit of a turning point I think. A bit like the Norwich home game was last season...

This. Other fans would be calling for the manager's head at this point. Other clubs haven't had Ashley for like 10 years after being a PL team for like 14/15 years, where they were also challenging for cups and playing European football...

What did he say? Gave it a good go, and if Perez had better finishing we could easily have got a point. Said there was a few things to be positive about from that performance, and Stelling said the same a couple of times. It does suggest if we can get a couple of players in January, especially a striker, the rest of the team could rally. Thanks. Sounds like we're doomed elsewhere on here. People spitting their dummies out needlessly imo. It's the sort of mentality we need to cut out if we want to stay up. Negativity at this stage only breeds further negativity and we'll implode. The sentiment is right, but it's pretty difficult to find positives during this kind of run. Especially when it's not entirely down to abject performances, but rather a blindingly obvious gulf in quality. Just makes it difficult to see how it can be turned around. Other than buying what we need, obviously. Aye, I appreciate that, and I'm not sticking my head in the sand pretending everything is alright, cause it clearly isn't. I just think some people need to look at things a bit more objectively than just through Black and White eyes after a run of slightly more difficult fixtures. I mean, at the start of the season I wouldn't have necessarily expected much (if anything) from games vs Everton, Man United, Chelsea and Arsenal. Even then Leicester you'd maybe expect a point at home. As the season has progressed a point at home to Watford and away to Burnley would have been okay too I reckon. The most annoying result has been vs Bournemouth in this latest run of games because even a point away at West Brom isn't terrible (so long as we beat them at home).

Fuck off man.

What did he say? Gave it a good go, and if Perez had better finishing we could easily have got a point. Said there was a few things to be positive about from that performance, and Stelling said the same a couple of times. It does suggest if we can get a couple of players in January, especially a striker, the rest of the team could rally. Thanks. Sounds like we're doomed elsewhere on here. People spitting their dummies out needlessly imo. It's the sort of mentality we need to cut out if we want to stay up. Negativity at this stage only breeds further negativity and we'll implode.

TBH like I find it hard to give players like Perez stick. He came here as a kid for next to nowt and if he isn't good enough then it's not really his fault. Pay peanuts get monkeys.

Loss. 100% Has your dummy come out? No, I just think we'll lose? Comfortably. Against West Ham...we comfortably beat them at SJP... Under Bilic when the form of each team was reversed. Aye, but nonetheless, I find it a bit absurd to write it off as a comfortable loss. Hope to god I'm wrong like We need the points desperately. Soon it won't matter what we do in January That I can agree with. It's more of a must not lose than a must win next week for me like. We simply must beat Brighton, Huddersfield, Swansea and West Brom at home though. Well quite simply, we won't win all of them so I disagree, there;s other teams we can beat as well apart from maybe the top five or six. I'm not saying we cannot beat other teams, I'm just saying those ones are particularly important to win. If we draw at West Ham, we'll have taken 4 points from them this season and they'll be bottom 10 this season. Same goes for Stoke. Beat West Brom at home, that's 4 points from them this season. Swansea at home, beat them and that's 6 points off them and beat Brighton and Huddersfield and we've taken 3 from each of those and as a result you've matched or beaten all the teams around you in the games against them. I honestly don't see us getting much (if any) less points than those teams I've mentioned against the rest of the league. The Premier League is a 4 tier league with Man City in their own tier. After that there's probably 3 or 4 teams chasing Champions League football (Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal, Liverpool), a third tier of teams like Everton, Leicester, Southampton, Watford and this season Burnley who will all comfortably make up the top 10. The rest are in a relegation scrap. EDIT: Forgot about Spurs

Loss. 100% Has your dummy come out? No, I just think we'll lose? Comfortably. Against West Ham...we comfortably beat them at SJP... Under Bilic when the form of each team was reversed. Aye, but nonetheless, I find it a bit absurd to write it off as a comfortable loss. Hope to god I'm wrong like We need the points desperately. Soon it won't matter what we do in January That I can agree with. It's more of a must not lose than a must win next week for me like. We simply must beat Brighton, Huddersfield, Swansea and West Brom at home though.

Loss. 100% Has your dummy come out? No, I just think we'll lose? Comfortably. Against West Ham...we comfortably beat them at SJP... Under Bilic when the form of each team was reversed. Aye, but nonetheless, I find it a bit absurd to write it off as a comfortable loss.

Loss. 100% Has your dummy come out? No, I just think we'll lose? Comfortably. Against West Ham...we comfortably beat them at SJP...

We have to play Huddersfield, Brighton, West Brom and Swansea all at home. All teams we're capable of beating. We need to make sure we don't lose next week and if we can beat West Ham that'll be fantastic. I don't think we're playing all that bad to be honest we just lack quality.

Loss. 100% Has your dummy come out?

There is around 5 or 6 teams who will be down there in May and we have to play most of those teams still at home. Don't think it's too optimistic to say we can stay up like.

BBC reckon Benitez has been doing his nut on the touchline...

How much did we pay for each member of today's squad? Out of curiosity....

TBH I can see Rafa mentioning this and for us not to do it. I don't blame our fans at all but we need to stop letting the poison set in so early in our season.

The game next week is huge.

Because BBC Newcastle is for the whole region, not just Newcastle. I don't care. Newcastle United in the PL should take precedent. Sunderland should just fuck off and get their own radio station.

BTW what the fuck are BBC Newcastle playing at having the fucking inbreds on instead of us. Stupid pricks.

Why do we never seem to get the rub of the Green or face sides on their "off" days? Fuck sake...

TBH like I don't get the need to tell home truths unless players have specifically been stupid or haven't put the graft in. It's clear the lads are trying, they're just not good enough. What's he supposed to say to them like, "you're shit"? It is obviously an assumption but I'd hazard a guess he booted off with Shelvey for being a fucking idiot again, and rightly so. Other than that, in recent weeks I don't think he could have told many "home truths" that would have shown good leadership or proved worthwhile. He's got to keep them motivated and on side, not go around blaming people for not having enough talent...

This season is becoming unbelievably frustrating like. I don't blame the players or the manager whatsoever. Not like in previous years.

More than anything else I love that Lascelles is passionate about playing for us. It seems to me that he is genuinely proud to play for this club and even prouder to be captaining it. He's probably booted off because seeing us slump to defeat into he second half the other day hurt him like it hurts us and he's probably told Shelvey not to be thick as fucking mince.

Bang on HTT! No Rafa = no takeover! fantastic post