themanupstairs

Every single 50-50 where two opposing players meet at some point will give the ref a decision to make! That decision is foul or no foul, believe it or not. If he had just left him and Elliot hadn't got there in time, we would be sitting here saying how stupid he was for not making an attempt. With all of Coloccini's faults and serious degradation in ability, this was a very simple decision for the ref to call.

Bunch of excuses? We were cheated out of the game. A football match lasts 90 minutes. Just because we didn't score before the red card doesn't mean we weren't clearly the better team. It was only a matter of time before we found a way through.

Virgin Van Dijk is another we missed out on. Seems to be doing very well for Southampton. On paper, someone like Shawcross would be ideal.

Looking at both their trajectories, Fletcher moves towards Coloccini and not after the ball. His momentum when he crashes into Colo helps him fly off and pretend to be pushed. There was clearly no arm or leg sticking out to impede Fletcher's movement. Non-incident. End of.

Nice one. Wonder if Google translating that will do it any justice?

Ian W don't roll like dat

Love it when sense comes along to sweep up the meaningless anger. HTT's post was spot on, but saying that having hope that things will get better contributes to our demise is just utter nonsense.

Maybe right mate, personally I think the pace going forward etc, on the counter attack has happened ad hoc mid game. Boro supporting mate of mine has been screaming that he is a negative coach at me for ages. Maybe I am being harsh, just don't see him inspiring improvement at all. f*** I just want us to use our current assets better...and invest... Maybe he was negative at Boro, but that ended 10 years ago. Why is it unfathomable that a manager can learn and change his style with time or experience? I'm probably just being pedantic here, but just because he was that way with Boro 10 years ago doesn't mean he can't be trying to create an efficient attacking side here.

Aye. HTT's right lads. If we ALL just post on an internet forum that we want mcclaren out, then ashley will obviously sack him, say he's sorry, and sell up to a Keegan led consortium for 30m pounds.

He may not be good enough I agree, but he's certainly not one of the old boys merry go round. He's totally different to the usual suspects. At least he had the bollocks to manage abroad to gain experience and try to better himself. This for me is his one redeeming feature. He wasn't content to sit in a tv studio grovelling for a job the way Allardyce, Pulis, Curbishly etc do. It might never work for him at NUFC, but out of this group of charlatans he was the best choice by some distance (discounting Moyes). We should have taken the plunge with Vieira. It might have failed (it's failing anyway) but it would have freshened things up and showed that the club was prepared to go in a different direction after Pardew and Carver and would have had the fans onside right from the start. Don't know of a single supporter who was excited about McClaren being appointed and I doubt the players were either. Sadly with 2 dinosaurs and penfold making all the executive decisions McClaren is exactly the sort of manager we'll continue to employ.

Definite save iirc. The keeper spread himself. Was a pretty good save tbh.

a live mackem birth video? where??

Well, I'd rather he benched Coloccini for Dummett for starters. Big managers have no problems putting out the best teams. Starting Colo is currently counter-productive in most league games, and a chance should be given to someone else.

He may not be good enough I agree, but he's certainly not one of the old boys merry go round. He's totally different to the usual suspects. At least he had the bollocks to manage abroad to gain experience and try to better himself. This for me is his one redeeming feature. He wasn't content to sit in a tv studio grovelling for a job the way Allardyce, Pulis, Curbishly etc do. It might never work for him at NUFC, but out of this group of charlatans he was the best choice by some distance (discounting Moyes).

Wasn't so hard with conference standard players in front of them tbf.

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Yup. In slow motion you can even see Fletcher leaning into Coloccini first, and just bounces off him and falls over like the soft s**** he is. In that specific angle Coloccini makes no "charge" towards the bearded fanny, and simply stays his course to protect the ball into the hands of Elliott.

What is this? Sense?

Of course it wasn't a penalty. Only Andy Gray the contrarian gorilla was advocating cheating as per usual. Both Bellamy and Yorke in the studio thought it was daylight robbery. Even Keys who normally hates us said he didn't think it was.

Ex-referee I spoke to this morning said it was. Did this ex-referee explain why the other two shoulder challenges weren't given as fouls?

At this time, Dummett + Mbemba is our best CB pair on paper. Unfortunately Colo's ban won't be long enough to see them together for a run of games. He'll take his place back no problems.

By that logic, you would be happy to see us sack McClaren and appoint Curbishly to be seen as "doing something"? Happy? We're discussing the prospect of us going down or staying up, there's not a single hint of 'happy'. Would Curbishley keep us up? No, he wouldn't. Allardyce will keep them up. Silly example. Fine. Sack SMC for Di Canio? Poyet? Advocaat? Well you're even thicker than I thought. Congrats. Enjoy your morning. You know exactly the point I'm getting at. If we sack McClaren to get another vanilla manager of the same ilk, then it would be much of a muchness. The "Ronaldo brand" and insults don't get to me, as I've been here far too long to bite. So you can save it next time or just not bother replying seeing as having a genuine debate isn't your forte.

By that logic, you would be happy to see us sack McClaren and appoint Curbishly to be seen as "doing something"? Happy? We're discussing the prospect of us going down or staying up, there's not a single hint of 'happy'. Would Curbishley keep us up? No, he wouldn't. Allardyce will keep them up. Silly example. Fine. Sack SMC for Di Canio? Poyet? Advocaat?

By that logic, you would be happy to see us sack McClaren and appoint Curbishly to be seen as "doing something"?

Sorry like but I'd have McClaren over Allardyce any day of the week.