themanupstairs

Yup.

IMO it was a vast improvement on what we showed in any game we played against these under Pardew/Carver. We obviously went out to dictate the tempo and frustrate the home crowd to stop them from threatening our goal in the early exchanges. We succeeded at that and started to turn the screw and should have had a penalty before we got royally shafted by Madley.

Those are hypothetical questions man. We got shafted as you say, there's nothing more nothing less to it. Two major decisions went against us in the space of 30 seconds and that changed the game. We also controlled the tempo of the game with a man less and if Mitrovic puts it away we probably come away from this game with a point. Football is a game of details most of the time. We could've gotten battered by Sunderland in the 2nd half with 11 men, but I highly doubt that considering how the game was played even in the 2nd half. They scored on a flukey corner and then a counter attack when we were pushing men forward. Would people have been happier with 1-0 loss? There's no way people can sit there and say that we were only passing it around whoopy doo (Dave..). We had couple of goal scoring chances that on our day easily goes in. We can't complain about the PERFORMANCE. Sure the result absolutely sucked, but we undeservedly lost. We clearly aren't what we used to be 12-13 years ago, but our performances ahve been far better than what we've seen in the last 3 years or so.

This is another point for me. The last 6 defeats have come against comfortably the worst Sunderland side we've come up against. Arguably the best one that we played against was beaten 5-1. There's absolutely NO excuse like. Course there's not, but there is for this individual game. It's going around in circles like, my two finishing questions are as follows. 1. Can you point to any moment prior to the sending off when we had a clear cut chance at goal? 2. Do you think that pre Ashley/Pardew, a Newcastle team would have conceded a further two goals against that Sunderland team? Or would it have been more likely to fight back for a draw considering the possession we had? 1. Coloccini from a corner, Colback from Janmaat's lofted ball, and the blatant foul on Wijnaldum we should have had a penalty for. 2. Despite being down to 10, we probably had better chances to score in the second half. Sunderland were all over the shop at the back and let us in behind them time and time again. We didn't just wilt after the first half. Their second changed everything, and that;s the one gripe I have with our lot from this game. Leaving their man unmarked to volley the ball through a crowd of players was probably the one mistake we made the whole game.

Seen him for USMNTUVWXYZ last year. Massive imposing presence and good on the ball, but seemed to lack experience.

Come on lads, we didn't just pass it about. Pantilimon had to make a few decent saves throughout the 90 minutes, and not from pot-luck long range shots. It wasn't like we just passed it in front of them. Our finishing let us down, aye, but that's not to say we weren't dangerous in attack. The red card changed the match. There's no denying that. If it had been the reverse (mackems were very good and we were s***), and they got the red and we scored the penalty, we would still be complaining that the result flattered us as the sending off changed the momentum in our favor. Too much of this is being linked to Ashley and the way he runs things etc... Why can't one be objective about individual incidents? 9 times out of 10 we would have been that shower of s**** the way we played. That is not even up for debate. Yeah obviously football doesn't always work that way, but by the same token, professional refs shouldn't be making such blatant mistakes that affect a match in this way.

Every single 50-50 where two opposing players meet at some point will give the ref a decision to make! That decision is foul or no foul, believe it or not. If he had just left him and Elliot hadn't got there in time, we would be sitting here saying how stupid he was for not making an attempt. With all of Coloccini's faults and serious degradation in ability, this was a very simple decision for the ref to call.

Bunch of excuses? We were cheated out of the game. A football match lasts 90 minutes. Just because we didn't score before the red card doesn't mean we weren't clearly the better team. It was only a matter of time before we found a way through.

Virgin Van Dijk is another we missed out on. Seems to be doing very well for Southampton. On paper, someone like Shawcross would be ideal.

Looking at both their trajectories, Fletcher moves towards Coloccini and not after the ball. His momentum when he crashes into Colo helps him fly off and pretend to be pushed. There was clearly no arm or leg sticking out to impede Fletcher's movement. Non-incident. End of.

Nice one. Wonder if Google translating that will do it any justice?

Ian W don't roll like dat

Love it when sense comes along to sweep up the meaningless anger. HTT's post was spot on, but saying that having hope that things will get better contributes to our demise is just utter nonsense.

Maybe right mate, personally I think the pace going forward etc, on the counter attack has happened ad hoc mid game. Boro supporting mate of mine has been screaming that he is a negative coach at me for ages. Maybe I am being harsh, just don't see him inspiring improvement at all. f*** I just want us to use our current assets better...and invest... Maybe he was negative at Boro, but that ended 10 years ago. Why is it unfathomable that a manager can learn and change his style with time or experience? I'm probably just being pedantic here, but just because he was that way with Boro 10 years ago doesn't mean he can't be trying to create an efficient attacking side here.

Aye. HTT's right lads. If we ALL just post on an internet forum that we want mcclaren out, then ashley will obviously sack him, say he's sorry, and sell up to a Keegan led consortium for 30m pounds.

He may not be good enough I agree, but he's certainly not one of the old boys merry go round. He's totally different to the usual suspects. At least he had the bollocks to manage abroad to gain experience and try to better himself. This for me is his one redeeming feature. He wasn't content to sit in a tv studio grovelling for a job the way Allardyce, Pulis, Curbishly etc do. It might never work for him at NUFC, but out of this group of charlatans he was the best choice by some distance (discounting Moyes). We should have taken the plunge with Vieira. It might have failed (it's failing anyway) but it would have freshened things up and showed that the club was prepared to go in a different direction after Pardew and Carver and would have had the fans onside right from the start. Don't know of a single supporter who was excited about McClaren being appointed and I doubt the players were either. Sadly with 2 dinosaurs and penfold making all the executive decisions McClaren is exactly the sort of manager we'll continue to employ.

Definite save iirc. The keeper spread himself. Was a pretty good save tbh.

a live mackem birth video? where??

Well, I'd rather he benched Coloccini for Dummett for starters. Big managers have no problems putting out the best teams. Starting Colo is currently counter-productive in most league games, and a chance should be given to someone else.

He may not be good enough I agree, but he's certainly not one of the old boys merry go round. He's totally different to the usual suspects. At least he had the bollocks to manage abroad to gain experience and try to better himself. This for me is his one redeeming feature. He wasn't content to sit in a tv studio grovelling for a job the way Allardyce, Pulis, Curbishly etc do. It might never work for him at NUFC, but out of this group of charlatans he was the best choice by some distance (discounting Moyes).

Wasn't so hard with conference standard players in front of them tbf.

POTY

Yup. In slow motion you can even see Fletcher leaning into Coloccini first, and just bounces off him and falls over like the soft s**** he is. In that specific angle Coloccini makes no "charge" towards the bearded fanny, and simply stays his course to protect the ball into the hands of Elliott.

What is this? Sense?

Of course it wasn't a penalty. Only Andy Gray the contrarian gorilla was advocating cheating as per usual. Both Bellamy and Yorke in the studio thought it was daylight robbery. Even Keys who normally hates us said he didn't think it was.