Neil

Everyone seems to be missing the point that JFK is here for only two months. Long term his explosive methods would be ill-advised, but in a desperate situation to turn things round as quickly as possible it could be a master stroke. We'll see over the next few games. I think it is worse because he is on a short term deal. No-one, be it the players, the fans, and the press have no motivation to respond positively to a shouter. Well that's the thing isn't it. They could be motivated by someone doing a 4-game "get your arses into gear" tyrade, or they may just not give one, and think "well he's off in a few weeks anyway". Interesting to see which way it goes.

Can we just play first goal the winner then? Can have an extra hour or so in the pub then Lets play goalie in and out, as well. Suits me! I've honestly got no clue as to how it's going to go. I'd probably go with the home team advantage though. Hah, good'un. That was a joke, right?

Bramble for England. With the whole Roy Keane shouts, on a more serious note I wouldn't stomach him being at my club, I've lost all respect for him as a human being for what he did do that Man City guy. Disgusting tbh, and I can never respect him.

Don't talk such utter sh*te. It doesn't matter if Joe got on his knees and licked their boots - the b*st*rds will ALWAYS invent crap if it isn't already there to blow out of proportion. They've done it time and again in the past - they have never done any other. The only way is to treat them as they are - verminous snakes. INCLUDING so-called "geordies" like Shaun Custis. Alan "licks southern journos for free" Oliver too. Bob Cass less so, I would say. Embarrased he's upset the journos ? Jeebers, man..... If my manager did something like that, I'd at first have a "go on, get in!" mentality but really, I'd be effing embarassed. Personal opinion really. Dont understand that really...I much prefer our manager coming out fighting and putting the media in there place which should have being done along time ago.Also Its not like Everton get anywhere near as bad press as Newcastle do to be fair. Hence why if they did, I'd probably be more pleased if the manager did get stuck in. Kinnear has been smart in that he won't have the time to build up a relationship with them, I just think the way he's blown off the handle isn't going to help things. As long as supporters don't pay too much attention to what the idiots in the media generally have to say, then there isn't too much of a problem. youve hit the nail on the head though, people DO believe what the media print. Yerp, which leads to more criticisms, which lead to more articles. Nasty cycle. Of course I'd be very pi**ed off if I saw unsubstantiated crap about my club being strewn across the pages of a paper. Comes down to people having some common sense I guess.

Don't talk such utter sh*te. It doesn't matter if Joe got on his knees and licked their boots - the b*st*rds will ALWAYS invent crap if it isn't already there to blow out of proportion. They've done it time and again in the past - they have never done any other. The only way is to treat them as they are - verminous snakes. INCLUDING so-called "geordies" like Shaun Custis. Alan "licks southern journos for free" Oliver too. Bob Cass less so, I would say. Embarrased he's upset the journos ? Jeebers, man..... If my manager did something like that, I'd at first have a "go on, get in!" mentality but really, I'd be effing embarassed. Personal opinion really. Dont understand that really...I much prefer our manager coming out fighting and putting the media in there place which should have being done along time ago.Also Its not like Everton get anywhere near as bad press as Newcastle do to be fair. Hence why if they did, I'd probably be more pleased if the manager did get stuck in. Kinnear has been smart in that he won't have the time to build up a relationship with them, I just think the way he's blown off the handle isn't going to help things. As long as supporters don't pay too much attention to what the idiots in the media generally have to say, then there isn't too much of a problem.

Don't talk such utter sh*te. It doesn't matter if Joe got on his knees and licked their boots - the b*st*rds will ALWAYS invent crap if it isn't already there to blow out of proportion. They've done it time and again in the past - they have never done any other. The only way is to treat them as they are - verminous snakes. INCLUDING so-called "geordies" like Shaun Custis. Alan "licks southern journos for free" Oliver too. Bob Cass less so, I would say. Embarrased he's upset the journos ? Jeebers, man..... If my manager did something like that, I'd at first have a "go on, get in!" mentality but really, I'd be effing embarassed. Personal opinion really.

In fairness, it'll be more nearer £300m, and a further £200m needed to buy their annual quota of unnecessary lightweight midfielders who won't settle into the team.

maybe it does actually. I agree it's totally unprofessional, but I'm on his side. If he doesn't stand up, it continues. And that's the best way. If they do it again, then there'll be trouble. As I've said, I think it's unprofessional in the extreme however I can imagine it's a good feeling that he's 'got one over' the media.

I hope you're not implying that I'm supporting the press. I'm saying that Kinnear has made a mistake in doing this, and flak is going to increase further upon anything Newcastle do wrong. I'm not saying it would be justified at all. Not being a Newcastle fan I imagine I don't appreciate the plus side of this all, i.e. having a right old go at the media, getting one over the "Southern toffs". And Edd, did Howard actually say that or was it extreme media manufacturing? And yes, I don't defend Cahill for his disrespect to the ref. I'd like to know however what on earth that's got to do with my opinion of Kinnear's actions.

Unprofessional in the extreme I'm afraid. At first it may seem as a "go on Joe, get in!" moment but really, it's an utter embarassment.

Since the draw was made still a bit peeved off that we automatically qualify for the UEFA Cup through a 5th place finish, and get the hardest draw possible, yet Man City for example, who got through by I'm not sure, being a nice team? They get FC No-One. Still, we're not playing anywhere near the standard of last season, so we're screwed.

Sigh. Mountain now.

You probably couldn't ask for a better game. Regardless of the result tonight, our fitness will be lower, and if we do end up losing then confidence will be especially low. Our defence is parting like the Red Sea, and whilst you shouldn't necessarily expect something, I'm (sadly) not going to be surprised if you get something from this. Be wary of our home form though. It's very, err, consistent.

Y'know how people often break their goalscoring ducks/break records against Everton..... Well.....

At first I thought you were joking, but SC could be tempted by the money, plus Ranger will be brought in to score his obligatory 4 goals per game.

Surely it's floodgates, how would it be viable to introuce technology for one element of the game when the others would still be lacking the added analysis? Hypothetically it'd be a farse if you could stop to see whether the ball crossed the line, yet penalty decisions were still for example being made wrongly. All or nothing imo. You wouldn't have a stop and see anything, that's my point. It'd be a piece of piss to install the necessary ball/post sensors to alert the referee instantly. It's a goal or it didn't go in. There's no analysis required. I agree that the sensor concept would be very simple and quick, however my point is I'd expect that people will be calling for other elements of the game to use the relevant technology, if the goalline technology proves to be successful. Just how I see it panning out, anyway. I do however accept the goalline sensor would in theory be very easy to manage.

Surely it's floodgates, how would it be viable to introuce technology for one element of the game when the others would still be lacking the added analysis? Hypothetically it'd be a farse if you could stop to see whether the ball crossed the line, yet penalty decisions were still for example being made wrongly. All or nothing imo.

Surely the lack of confidence in this thread must fill you with some hope?! Not really, we look equally as bad at the minute and have just put in the least spirited derby performance I've ever seen. You've got a new boss coming in that could give you an initial boost. Plus, Michael Owen is a t***. Maybe we'll just gift each other a few goals and draw 3-3 or something. Everyone's focussing on Newcastle's chaotic anarchy at the moment, but in the background our season is falling apart before its begun. Defence is shocking, UEFA group stages is more unlikely than likely, leaving us out of 2 competitions at the start of October. And Phil Neville is still in our first team. 1-1.

Not sure you have many sympathisers on here Not particularly defending Cahill's petulance, more highlighting the incompetence of the refereeing that he gave a red card for the tackle. And I can't see how Terry's role as England captain didn't influence the decision of this pathetic organisation that's supposed to be running football in this country. This so-called era of respect is a farse at the moment, respect first and foremost has to be earned, and that means referees sharpening up their game.

Apologies as this is a bit off topic, but I'm interested in people's thoughts on the Cahill dismissal at the weekend, and the subsequent failed appeal. Do you think it's double standards, as we're not in the Sky 4? (Referring to Terry's successful appeal for a similar offence). Do you think it was just crap refereeing? Or do you think Riley got it spot on? Personally I think it was Tim's reaction to it and him not going to the ref straight away that ultimately did the damage, but you can't help but feel the sweet FA once again are trying out their punishments on anyone other than the top 4 (e.g. the Moyes charge, what a joke).

Wise goes to the shop to get some items he needed. Hilarious. Honest.

Aren't the games picked before the season starts?

Come on people, Young is developing into an excellent player, but don't get carried away. More exciting than most players? Yes. Love to have him in my team? Yes. A world beater? No, but there's time. And I wouldn't call Arteta a typical winger, more a creative midfielder who's stuck out wide because he doesn't have the physical attributes to compete in the middle. Which makes me think, would I rather have Arteta or Young in my team? I feel so sorry for Arteta in that team of eejits at the moment... the only one with some composure and real technical quality.

you just need to play us and you'll be back on track. Tbh Dinho, although you may well play crap against us next week, I'd be surprised if we had the basic ability to take advantage of it. Whilst Newcastle are looking shambolically bad, we're just plain bog-standard-out-of-any-ideas-hump-it-upfield bad.

Depressing to be an Evertonian today, awful performance. Absolutely no positives, to take Roy Keane's words.