Neil

Moving the goalposts a bit though there mate. Of course from a long-term point of view you'd want Cleverley there. But Osman currently, and has been, the better footballer for a good couple of years now, so my point was very much based on the present, and, IMO, the false perceptions of Cleverley's footballing ability due to what club he plays for. He may well raise his game this year, you'd certainly expect him to. I just think you're fucked if Moyes sees him as a regular starter/playing the vast majority of games. Don't see enough in him currently, simple as that. Also think it perfectly illustrates where England are if players like Cleverley are generally seen as "the future". Oh, I think it's fair also to point out I actually was a fan of his at first. Thought his loan spell at Watford was extremely encouraging and I was expecting big things. Just been disappointing since then I reckon. Time on his side and all that.

Not in my mind. Osman is quite simply a better footballer. Tom Cleverley would not look at all out of place at a side like Fulham, for example. You'd think, oh, he's alright. Absolutely classic example of a player being overrated because he plays for Man Utd, or a team like Man Utd. If he improves drastically over the coming few years then fair play and I'll happily say he has become a quality player but until then he'll offer little to a team with genuine title aspirations. He's just not very good.

If Moyes can get Gibson and Osman playing top football I'm sure he'll manage with Carrick and Cleverley. Not so sure about Cleverley, considering Osman is superior.

Spectacularly false comparison.

The panenka after Pirlo missed his penalty. :lol: What a fucking bloke.

Anyone preparing themselves to watch us obliterate Juventus at 4am in the morning?

Very decent player Caulker IMO.

Fifa suspend an unnamed Tahiti player after a positive drug test at the recent Confederations Cup. The player failed the test following their 8-0 defeat by Uruguay on 23 June.

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http://images.football365.com/12/10/800x600/Steven-Naismith_2852261.jpg He's even got the right year already.

Come off it man.

Yeah it really killed a part of me as well. Sounds dramatic but the lad was supposed to be living out our dreams and would give every fibre in his body for the club and the cause. £35m though, in hindsight it'll go down as one of the best bits of business the club will ever make, that aside its still sad to see him give it all up for a club like Liverpool. Must say from the outside, I saw that deal as more "insane offer you couldn't turn down" rather than "local lad giving up number 9 shirt". Can certainly see why it'd come across as the latter,mind. I don't know the details of it, but wasn't it the commonly held belief he was more pushed out rather than desperate to leave? Either way it was an incredible offer.

Dunno where to put it, so: Gary Lineker ‏@GaryLineker 27 Jul This season Match Of The Day will be on the BBC iPlayer! (LOL COULD BE GIGGS1!!!1111!!)

Fucking hell man. RIP.

A likely story.

La Sexta.

David Edgar.

Imagine David Edgar strolling into the office demanding the number 1 shirt.

Is this your usual level of humour mate?

Tell you what, he is like.

Edgar Davids can do whatever the fuck he wants.

Watford playing Granada today. http://gbatemp.net/attachments/leonardo-dicaprio-inception-movie-meme-face-jpg.2219/

We're absolutely humiliating Blackburn 1-0 currently.

Couldn't resist one bit.

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