The Prophet

Right so let me get this straight. You’re saying we looked in similar shape with Beye, Guthrie, N'Zogbia and Martins in the side. You're also blaming Kinnear for the amount of injuries we have with absolutely nothing to base it on? Aye, righto.

a) We were like this before the injuries b) the majority of the injuries were probably the fault of Kinnear's training methods. a) Were we? Could of fooled me. b) A bit childish.

Aye it has nothing to do with half the first team being crocked does it?

Why bump this thread? Fucking pathetic. Do people really think one result is an indication of the path a team's season is going to follow? Just look at Reading, it just doesn't work that way. Keegan walked out on our club, its history. We don't know where we would be with him and how differently circumstances would be. But is it really that important? All that's important is trying to pull ourselves out of mess he helped create. If anybody knows any different I'd also like an indication of this weekend’s lottery numbers, cheers.

Answered your own question really.

Did I miss the moment when Sunderland became the buisness away from home. Chill out lads, if we lose I might join you in your immensly negative state, but until then...

OK I'm going to bite. Let's say, erm... Three, for now.

must be on drugs to be that optimistic Did you watch it? We should have been level at 1-1 when Duff went through and were growing more and more into the game, then Barton went off and we lost our way. City looked half threatening but didn't work Harper at all until their 2nd and at that stage I thought we looked more likely to score than they did. Aye that view would conflict with cp40's agenda though.

Pah, we don't need your optimism, with our internet streams, high horses and knee jerk reactions. It's hardly a knee-jerk by now tbf. :-[ What the hell, dont start trying to use logic on them Yes sorry your absolutely correct. We 're doomed, our future rests on this second half of football. Your actually being serious. We have played like this for weeks, what makes you think we will suddenly improve? Aye football is just that damn predictable. We'll just play like this forever. It has nothing to do with an injury crisis and fragile confidence.

Pah, we don't need your optimism, with our internet streams, high horses and knee jerk reactions. It's hardly a knee-jerk by now tbf. :-[ What the hell, dont start trying to use logic on them Yes sorry your absolutely correct. We 're doomed, our future rests on this second half of football.

Pah, we don't need your optimism, with our internet streams, high horses and knee jerk reactions.

Got to admire the optimism. Are you still certain we'll stay up, Midds? Certain? No. Pretty sure? Yes. Other teams are on s*** runs too. I thought we'd lose this one tonight. But we're a goal down to City, it's the end of the world. You have to be watch this game to understand how stupidly bad we are. to top it off Man City are not playing well but are so much on top. Aye we're going down. Innit.

Got to admire the optimism. Are you still certain we'll stay up, Midds? Certain? No. Pretty sure? Yes. Other teams are on s*** runs too. I thought we'd lose this one tonight. But we're a goal down to City, it's the end of the world.

Is Ashley there?

He isn't but I wouldn't look too much into that, Kuzmanovic and Montolivo are both very highly rated. Montolivo is f***ing brilliant on his day. Aye, the old cliche of "would he turn up on a rainy day away to Wigan?" applies to him though. Perfect example is of when they faced you lot in the Wafa Cup last year. At the Artemio he (and the rest of their midfield) tore you to shreds. However in the reverse fixture when you had the momentum and the crowd behind you Montolivo along with others just didn't look up for the battle.

I think it's one of those games where any result is realistic. Both sides are pretty damn inconsistent and that makes it difficult to predict a result. The problem is with the confidence of the team being as fragile as it is at this moment if we go behind we'll struggle. If we go behind early we could get battered. We just need a lucky break, something to install a bit of confidence for future fixtures.

I haven't seen them play consistently this season so I'm going off previous seasons, but for me: Lennon - Good technique, good pace, lacks end product. Milner - Good grafter, half decent technique, lacks end product. Pennant - Good technique, half decent end product, lacks consistency. They are all young lads and all have potential to get better if they work on the weaknesses in their game. I'd agree with Kaka to an extent, currently Pennant is probably the most rounded player but his attitude and general inconsistency is probably why he's never made a real impact. Another thing to note is that Pennant looks like he's reached his peak while I feel there could be much more to come from both Lennon and Milner. They are both comfortably capable of exceeding him as a player.

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Have you not heard? A low-net spend shows a lack of ambition.

Currently I'm on edge but I think that's due to a lack of sleep rather than the club. Our inconsistancy means you just never know, take tomorrow for example, it's a tough game to call because both teams are capably of beating the other depending on what side of the bed they wake up on. Overall I'm still pretty confident we'll stay up. I think it will be tight due to the nature of the league but I think we'll just do enough. Having said that the current rot has to stop.

maybe he will talk about new transfers then FA: "Are you aware of the rules you have broken?" Joe: "Yes, but the good news is I expect new bodies in over the next couple of days"

Eh? His job is defined as: Basically Ashley and the board didn't (and possibly still don't) have a scooby how to run a football club so they asked Wise to not advise them on footballing matters due to his experience in the game. This as it says above conducting their end of the transfer business and adding to the academy. The problem is defining how far those roles of "assisting" the board go. Does he go scouting? Does he sit on the negotiating table and most importantly does he work with or above the manager. Like you say, it's ambiguous but it's a starting point hence being "fairly clear" as a pose to being "crystal clear". Youve said it yourself, and showed why people are suspicious, its not clear enough is it (especially in amongst all the speculation)? Yes, he's an easy target for who he is. But what makes me angry is the fact his role has been described in such a way that it cover's a lot of potenial roles. It makes me angry that this system, i.e. him bieng involved in the first team, and potentially forcing players on the manager, has had a negative effect on a potential positive direction the club could have went under Keegan, and that a legend such as KK deserves much better. It is annoying that even now, amongst all the speculation, Wise has still not confirmed what his role is definetely about. That not only worries me in terms of the structure and the credibility ofi it, but the silence also feels like two fingers up at the fans. I was being a pedant more than anything in the post above (also it makes little sense now I've re-read it). No his position isn't entirely clear but had Wise been in say Jiminez position he would of still got flack. Why? Because he's Dennis Wise. I don't like him as much as the next man but that shouldn't influence people's opinion on the job he's done. Even if his role his clarified he will still be surrounded by this negative vibe: a) Because of who he is b) Because he will be forever associated with Keegan's departure. As for your other point the system could potentially take the club in a positive direction. It was just a mistake trying to fit Keegan into it.

Eh? His job is defined as: Basically Ashley and the board didn't (and possibly still don't) have a scooby how to run a football club so they asked Wise to not advise them on footballing matters due to his experience in the game. This as it says above conducting their end of the transfer business and adding to the academy. The problem is defining how far those roles of "assisting" the board go. Does he go scouting? Does he sit on the negotiating table and most importantly does he work with or above the manager. Like you say, it's ambiguous but it's a starting point hence being "fairly clear" as a pose to being "crystal clear".

It's fairly clear what he does as it says in the article. It's just to what capacity does he carry out those roles. For example how involved is he in player recruitment?