Ishmael

Big loss incoming.

Typical Bardsley.

Still in this...

Should be a red, RvP could have killed him.

N'Diaye is crap.

Nice goal Titus.

"Sunderland were stuck in their own pain" against Norwich. Insight from Quinn.

Quinn doing a good job at pointing out Sunderland's inability to accommodate new players. Neville just described them as "simple and functional."

Who is on Manchester Red's bench?

Strong(ish) Manchester Red team. It should be more than enough to see off the black cats, http://www.otf2.com/forums/images/smilies/xsuckle.gif

Quitting football was nothing to do with the persistent injuries then. They were a meager irritant to him, no doubt.

I wonder who they will select for their next pseudo-altruistic shirt label.

They will be calling for him to be sacked if they lose today.

That's because he is.

Number 15's little jump after the ball has already gone into the net tickles me.

Shame about their current gen.

Expected him to be injured.

That Manchester City shirt looks like a Next t-shirt middle-aged men like to wear in the summer. Can't grumble about the England shirt other than the tacky gold star and banner. The rich, dark blue is reminiscent of the 80s kits.

The cost implications argument is reasonable.

So true

Law of averages?

He's choosing to compare the two sets of possible events, set a) "the actual events" and set b) "the events had we not invested in January". You could call set c) "the events had we invested in the summer" and add that to the discussion, but they are far away from the actual events as to be deemed irrelevant to the discussion. How far back shall we take the possible permutations? Basically, he's dealing with the hear and now and the January decisions are what counts. They would have planned for the summer without January's expenditure, so it is relevant to discuss it.

Well, no. That's real money that the club has spent, which it a) didn't want to and b) hadn't factored in to the long term running of the club. We are now a few million weaker financially than we would have liked. However, it was a wise investment given the potential losses of relegation.

Transfer fees + agent fees + misc transfer costs + extra wages added to the originally agreed summer starting contracts. So he's factoring in the added 6/7 months of wages, I think.