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Admitting Carroll can do more than play in a route one side then saying you don't want to sign him in case it means we play route one under Pardew. You're basically saying you want the manager to fail hoofing the ball over Cisse's head next season as long as it means he gets sacked, presumably we can then sign Andy Carroll to play in a side that doesn't necessarily play route one. Your argument is all over the shop, stop throwing your toys out the pram. I'd have Carroll back and I also want to see Pardew gone, don't see why those ideas are mutually exclusive.

Jesus.

It's not just matchday revenue though, is it? That's not much more than a third of a club's revenue these days. And I think most people would be willing to pay a touch more to watch football that isn't entirely joyless anyway.

Yep. Him coming back was magic, while Solano and Elliott did decent jobs when they returned. Can't think of any other successes off the top of my head.

We seem to spend a lot of time on here talking about former players returning to the club, despite the fact it hardly ever happens.

He's got a massively valid point about us standing still in revenue terms, which equates to going backwards since other teams have went forward in this respect. Mock away though Stu, you seem to enjoy yourself doing it so knock yourself out.

Well that went better than expected.

:lol:

Hatem getting stuff signed by Sgt Slaughter, starting to get a touch worried about his weight now tbh.

Maybe Chelsea will give their fans a season they deserve this time around.

Erm...

Barton's a total fucking prick.

Think about it. How many players leave Wenger's Arsenal and improve, and how many leave and go backwards? He wouldn't need to be Arsenal standard to do a good job for us.

Cronky's right, every single player who has somewhat failed at one club has always failed miserably at every club they've went to since.

It'll be interesting to see who we sign this summer actually, if we buy 2 left backs and 2 central midfielders because they were good value I'll be spitting blood. The needs of the team need to come first possibly at the expense of a few extra million quid, and the needs of the team are to make us less toothless going forward.

I don't think we need another centre half if Coloccini stays, at all. We need 2 or 3 players that can play up front or wide though and that's about it.

Would imagine if it's true that he was too busy fucking around on his phone to have a proper discussion the first time around then we'd never go in for him again.

As much as you're keen to mock others (EVERYONE WHO EXPRESSES A NEGATIVE OPINION IS SLITTING THEIR WRISTS LOL LOL LOL), this idea that Carroll can only play in an exclusively long ball team is just as mock-able. We weren't that long ball under Hughton and Carroll's hold-up play was phenomenal. Do you think we hoofed the ball to the 5-1 win over the mackems? That was one of the best all-round performances I've seen from an NUFC centre forward, despite not scoring a goal. At his best he allowed us to mix it up, short and long, because his attributes made him an excellent spearhead for our attack. If there's faith we could get him back to that sort of form then the decision to get him back here would be a total no-brainer. What idea that Carroll can only play an in an exclusively long ball team?, I wasn't claiming that and have never claimed that. There were suggestions here that if we bring in Carroll that would help us be successful in the way Pardew wants us to play (long ball) because of his height/ability in the air. I was saying I don't want to do anything to prolong his management if he can't adapt his style away from hoofball. In fact what you've just agreed with below from Colo's Short and Curlies is basically the same point I was making. I've said many times before that under a different manager I'd take Carroll back for the right price. But under Pardew I don't want him anywhere near the squad because I can see how he'll be used. I don't think everyone who expresses a negative opinion is slitting their wrists either, just a silly exaggeration that like. I express negative opinions sometimes like anyone else. What I can't stand is when every single thing is being turned into a negative. I'm saying Carroll could do a job for any manager if on form, which makes your original post pointless at best. It wouldn't be buying a player for Pardew's style, it would simply be buying a good player that could also play for another manager if Pardew were to leave. Man you're still somehow missing my point. I already said Carroll can play in different systems and can do a job. I even said in the post you're responding too that I'd take Carroll back under a different manager, yet your response suggests you didn't even read that.. Its not about Carroll, its about Pardew, how he'll play Carroll and how that will help him to keep his job without having to adapt to any kind of decent Football. I really don't know how I can make this any more clear than I have been. So your point is that we shouldn't buy him yet because we'll do well and keep Pardew in a job? Apologies for not comprehending such a bizarre point of view. It's not that bizarre, Carroll might improve results because he'd suit Pardew's gameplan more, but it's still a shit gameplan which means you will more than likely aim for top 8 at best. Yeah I mean obviously I don't want us to be unsuccessful to get Pardew sacked. I'd love it if we were successful next season even under Pardew as long as that comes from him changing his Football philosophy. What I don't want is to see us signing players that will help him continue with the shit anti Football he's been getting us to play. This is what I was getting at. You'd like us to sign Carroll or you wouldn't like us to sign Carroll. You're contradicting yourself every time you hit post.

As much as you're keen to mock others (EVERYONE WHO EXPRESSES A NEGATIVE OPINION IS SLITTING THEIR WRISTS LOL LOL LOL), this idea that Carroll can only play in an exclusively long ball team is just as mock-able. We weren't that long ball under Hughton and Carroll's hold-up play was phenomenal. Do you think we hoofed the ball to the 5-1 win over the mackems? That was one of the best all-round performances I've seen from an NUFC centre forward, despite not scoring a goal. At his best he allowed us to mix it up, short and long, because his attributes made him an excellent spearhead for our attack. If there's faith we could get him back to that sort of form then the decision to get him back here would be a total no-brainer. What idea that Carroll can only play an in an exclusively long ball team?, I wasn't claiming that and have never claimed that. There were suggestions here that if we bring in Carroll that would help us be successful in the way Pardew wants us to play (long ball) because of his height/ability in the air. I was saying I don't want to do anything to prolong his management if he can't adapt his style away from hoofball. In fact what you've just agreed with below from Colo's Short and Curlies is basically the same point I was making. I've said many times before that under a different manager I'd take Carroll back for the right price. But under Pardew I don't want him anywhere near the squad because I can see how he'll be used. I don't think everyone who expresses a negative opinion is slitting their wrists either, just a silly exaggeration that like. I express negative opinions sometimes like anyone else. What I can't stand is when every single thing is being turned into a negative. I'm saying Carroll could do a job for any manager if on form, which makes your original post pointless at best. It wouldn't be buying a player for Pardew's style, it would simply be buying a good player that could also play for another manager if Pardew were to leave. Man you're still somehow missing my point. I already said Carroll can play in different systems and can do a job. I even said in the post you're responding too that I'd take Carroll back under a different manager, yet your response suggests you didn't even read that.. Its not about Carroll, its about Pardew, how he'll play Carroll and how that will help him to keep his job without having to adapt to any kind of decent Football. I really don't know how I can make this any more clear than I have been. So your point is that we shouldn't buy him yet because we'll do well and keep Pardew in a job? Apologies for not comprehending such a bizarre point of view. Again you're oversimplifying to devalue my argument, its not worth my time discussing this with you. I've encapsulated your point actually, you're just being ridiculously precious. Don't slit your wrists mate.

As much as you're keen to mock others (EVERYONE WHO EXPRESSES A NEGATIVE OPINION IS SLITTING THEIR WRISTS LOL LOL LOL), this idea that Carroll can only play in an exclusively long ball team is just as mock-able. We weren't that long ball under Hughton and Carroll's hold-up play was phenomenal. Do you think we hoofed the ball to the 5-1 win over the mackems? That was one of the best all-round performances I've seen from an NUFC centre forward, despite not scoring a goal. At his best he allowed us to mix it up, short and long, because his attributes made him an excellent spearhead for our attack. If there's faith we could get him back to that sort of form then the decision to get him back here would be a total no-brainer. What idea that Carroll can only play an in an exclusively long ball team?, I wasn't claiming that and have never claimed that. There were suggestions here that if we bring in Carroll that would help us be successful in the way Pardew wants us to play (long ball) because of his height/ability in the air. I was saying I don't want to do anything to prolong his management if he can't adapt his style away from hoofball. In fact what you've just agreed with below from Colo's Short and Curlies is basically the same point I was making. I've said many times before that under a different manager I'd take Carroll back for the right price. But under Pardew I don't want him anywhere near the squad because I can see how he'll be used. I don't think everyone who expresses a negative opinion is slitting their wrists either, just a silly exaggeration that like. I express negative opinions sometimes like anyone else. What I can't stand is when every single thing is being turned into a negative. I'm saying Carroll could do a job for any manager if on form, which makes your original post pointless at best. It wouldn't be buying a player for Pardew's style, it would simply be buying a good player that could also play for another manager if Pardew were to leave. Man you're still somehow missing my point. I already said Carroll can play in different systems and can do a job. I even said in the post you're responding too that I'd take Carroll back under a different manager, yet your response suggests you didn't even read that.. Its not about Carroll, its about Pardew, how he'll play Carroll and how that will help him to keep his job without having to adapt to any kind of decent Football. I really don't know how I can make this any more clear than I have been. So your point is that we shouldn't buy him yet because we'll do well and keep Pardew in a job? Apologies for not comprehending such a bizarre point of view.

As much as you're keen to mock others (EVERYONE WHO EXPRESSES A NEGATIVE OPINION IS SLITTING THEIR WRISTS LOL LOL LOL), this idea that Carroll can only play in an exclusively long ball team is just as mock-able. We weren't that long ball under Hughton and Carroll's hold-up play was phenomenal. Do you think we hoofed the ball to the 5-1 win over the mackems? That was one of the best all-round performances I've seen from an NUFC centre forward, despite not scoring a goal. At his best he allowed us to mix it up, short and long, because his attributes made him an excellent spearhead for our attack. If there's faith we could get him back to that sort of form then the decision to get him back here would be a total no-brainer. What idea that Carroll can only play an in an exclusively long ball team?, I wasn't claiming that and have never claimed that. There were suggestions here that if we bring in Carroll that would help us be successful in the way Pardew wants us to play (long ball) because of his height/ability in the air. I was saying I don't want to do anything to prolong his management if he can't adapt his style away from hoofball. In fact what you've just agreed with below from Colo's Short and Curlies is basically the same point I was making. I've said many times before that under a different manager I'd take Carroll back for the right price. But under Pardew I don't want him anywhere near the squad because I can see how he'll be used. I don't think everyone who expresses a negative opinion is slitting their wrists either, just a silly exaggeration that like. I express negative opinions sometimes like anyone else. What I can't stand is when every single thing is being turned into a negative. I'm saying Carroll could do a job for any manager if on form, which makes your original post pointless at best. It wouldn't be buying a player for Pardew's style, it would simply be buying a good player that could also play for another manager if Pardew were to leave.

As much as you're keen to mock others (EVERYONE WHO EXPRESSES A NEGATIVE OPINION IS SLITTING THEIR WRISTS LOL LOL LOL), this idea that Carroll can only play in an exclusively long ball team is just as mock-able. We weren't that long ball under Hughton and Carroll's hold-up play was phenomenal. Do you think we hoofed the ball to the 5-1 win over the mackems? That was one of the best all-round performances I've seen from an NUFC centre forward, despite not scoring a goal. At his best he allowed us to mix it up, short and long, because his attributes made him an excellent spearhead for our attack. If there's faith we could get him back to that sort of form then the decision to get him back here would be a total no-brainer. Carroll isn't the problem - its the perception of managers that a player of his build can only play as atarget man. We know that Pardew likes to get the ball to the front line quickly rather than build play up through the midfield, which is likely to result in a direct long ball unfortunately. I'm surprised that Rogers didn't try him with the style that liverpool are playing, but the likes of Sam and Pardew would probably try and turn Zlatan into a pure target man just becaue he is 6 foot plus Yeah it's a fair point and I agree, I was more getting at the idea that we shouldn't buy him in case he outlives Pardew though.

As much as you're keen to mock others (EVERYONE WHO EXPRESSES A NEGATIVE OPINION IS SLITTING THEIR WRISTS LOL LOL LOL), this idea that Carroll can only play in an exclusively long ball team is just as mock-able. We weren't that long ball under Hughton and Carroll's hold-up play was phenomenal. Do you think we hoofed the ball to the 5-1 win over the mackems? That was one of the best all-round performances I've seen from an NUFC centre forward, despite not scoring a goal. At his best he allowed us to mix it up, short and long, because his attributes made him an excellent spearhead for our attack. If there's faith we could get him back to that sort of form then the decision to get him back here would be a total no-brainer.

emotionally spent ? possibly, but he never regained the verve he had, more money wouldn't have changed that and he did walk when he realised the cash was coming to an end, probably his best managerial after leaving here was saving us when he came back, better than fulham and citeh where he could outspend the opposition. we went backwards in that we were in the title chase the season before, till the last game, the shearer signing season we never really clicked, even the man utd 5-0 was a one off and we never looked like winning the title for all we finished runners up (we could easy have finished 4th or 5th on the final day). we weren't as good to watch, as fluid, as dominant, as good! In terms of us not being as fluid my memories are hazy but from what I can recall I suppose I agree. I think these things can come and go a bit though. In terms of never looking like winning the title, I suppose you'll have to look at my link and blame Dalglish or something, since we were 5 points off the top when Keegan left in January and on level points with the team that won the league like they normally do, Man Utd. We never got 12 points clear like the previous season, granted.

It's impressive what he managed to achieve without fucking about with Keegan's formula much at all. Could have been so much better if he just tweaked Keegan's squad rather than totally blitzing it, if given licence to do so of course. I do remember the Barnes/Rush/Pearce signings fucking me off something rotten even though I was only 13.