Interpolic

I'm not asking why people think that. I'm asking what motivation there is for Pardew to do it. It's also that opp manages do summat at half time and he doesn't know what happenned or how to respond... Fully agree with that like. Makes much more sense than Pardew doing a tactical 180. Eh, I thought it was because the players shit themselves, is it definitely a combination of those 2 things and not anything Pardew's instructed?

"No more goals" is fairly damning. I think I saw him shouting that in the Man U game after we'd gone ahead for the third time. Was that not understandable? Unless you're referring to another occasion? I thought it was Arsenal but either way it's a daft thing to say and didn't work. Going 2 goals clear is a good way to win a game.

I'm not asking why people think that. I'm asking what motivation there is for Pardew to do it. I think it's because he's almost brain-dead as a manager. He's not bothered about protecting a lead not working for the majority of the time, it's the only way he knows that has worked on occasion and got his fingers burnt when he tried to go for it a few times in the past. He knows no happy medium, because we don't appear to teach a sustainable pass and move game on the training ground. So it ends up being all or nothing, with neither approach working very well over the course of a game.

"No more goals" is fairly damning.

I think we're back to square one with this, we've seen us be vastly inferior / less enterprising in the 2nd half for a lot of recent games. You think it's because the players flake out, others think it's more due to the manager's instructions. It's an intangible thing, we just all have our own ideas about what's more likely.

If he had that much passion he wouldn't have left at the first opportunity. We still don't really know the full story of him leaving. If your employer wants you to fuck off you can't really stick around can you? The shit players on high wages manage to claw every last penny out of the club, fairly certain if Carroll didn't want to leave (and double his wages) they wouldn't be able to do much. Unless you honestly believe they would just bench our best striker whilst letting his value rapidly decrease. Someone so passionate about a club doesn't try and dive for a penalty which would have left said team down to 10 men and a goal down if the ref fell for it. The odd story you hear about this seems to imply that the club smelt 35 million quid and conned a very thick person into thinking he wasn't wanted anyway. I have absolutely no doubt the club wanted to cash in but Carroll wanted the money just as much. We'll never know tbh, I agree with you about the diving thing mind. Proper out of order and glad he ended up looking like a tit. I still really like him as a player, he brought the ball down lovely to set up one of West Ham's goals yesterday.

This really isn't going to work out for them, they should bin him now if they want to limit the damage.

If he had that much passion he wouldn't have left at the first opportunity. We still don't really know the full story of him leaving. If your employer wants you to fuck off you can't really stick around can you? The shit players on high wages manage to claw every last penny out of the club, fairly certain if Carroll didn't want to leave (and double his wages) they wouldn't be able to do much. Unless you honestly believe they would just bench our best striker whilst letting his value rapidly decrease. Someone so passionate about a club doesn't try and dive for a penalty which would have left said team down to 10 men and a goal down if the ref fell for it. The odd story you hear about this seems to imply that the club smelt 35 million quid and conned a very thick person into thinking he wasn't wanted anyway.

Elaborate please.

Nobody knows anything man.

Oh right, the fanzines then?

They haven't got a choice tbf, the club has forced them into a corner with their zero-tolerance reaction to coverage that is even remotely negative.

He offered about one fifth of the reward that the players could have earned for the club with a win. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326007/Premier-League-prize-money-table-final-game-2013-season.html#ixzz2TqqwqdBk Shrewd. Err, he didn't have to offer anything at all. It cost him nothing to make the offer...and slightly increased the chances of the club seeing anything of that extra cash.....which were always pretty slim. It also would have cost him nothing not to make the offer. Why isn't that obvious? Why do you think he did it then? Again, I think it was a diversionary tactic. He doesn't so stuff where he won't gain in the end in some way. I think he did it to make a statement and to compensate for Pardew's stupid comments. He still didn't have to do it though. He did it 2 years ago as well though, and Pardew hadn't made any deaft comments then. Remind me what he did?

Or simply don't give a toss about it either way. It's laughable, the degree to which people on here get worked up about every last utterance in the press. Well yeah, there are those people too, what's your point? The fact is that most football fans listen to and read what their manager has to say, that's half the reason they get interviewed so much. Not bothered about talking about a few weirdos being contrary for the sake of it.

I don't know a single supporter in person who wants us to keep Pardew and all of the comments around where I sit were negative towards him yesterday. I wouldn't say this place is too far from expressing the feelings of the fans in general. In general, people around where I sit have defended Pardew, even as recently as the Liverpool game. There was a lot of discontent towards him when he brought Gouffran off yesterday though. Knee jerk.

He offered about one fifth of the reward that the players could have earned for the club with a win. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326007/Premier-League-prize-money-table-final-game-2013-season.html#ixzz2TqqwqdBk Shrewd. Err, he didn't have to offer anything at all. It cost him nothing to make the offer...and slightly increased the chances of the club seeing anything of that extra cash.....which were always pretty slim. It also would have cost him nothing not to make the offer. Why isn't that obvious? Why do you think he did it then? Again, I think it was a diversionary tactic. He doesn't so stuff where he won't gain in the end in some way.

He offered about one fifth of the reward that the players could have earned for the club with a win. www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2326007/Premier-League-prize-money-table-final-game-2013-season.html#ixzz2TqqwqdBk Shrewd. That whole thing was just an effort to detract attention from our poor league season and Pardew's comments implying we were ready to throw the game imo.

It's easy to miss the point when Interpolic decides what the point is, even though "the point" is completely theoretical. Sorry for busting your bubble if you naively believed we were in for a manager change. You did miss the point, I was wondering why HF hated the manager yet didn't want him sacked and you came storming in with a water pistol going on about how he wouldn't be sacked anyway. Point or "main issue"? I've completely lost track now mate, you appear to have lost your mind. It's a dull exchange though, for me, everyone else and presumably you too.

We'll continue going around in circles here, I've explained what I'm getting at. I suppose the main issue at hand is surrounding the potential next appointment and I've been over why I don't think we'd get Dave Bassett in next numerous times. We haven't made a managerial appointment in 2 and a half years and so much else has changed since then, a lot of it for the better. Isn't the main issue that Ashley will simply not sack Pardew so soon after handing him an eight year contract and telling the world of this revolutionary new approach to football club ownership where stability in management brings success on the pitch? Nope not really, not when we're debating whether we'd like to see Pardew sacked or not. If you think Happy Face is wasting his time by pointing out fallacies in overly harsh or (factually) unfounded criticism directed at Pardew, then what the hell are you doing debating whether you'd like to see Pardew sacked or not, knowing full well it won't happen? Christ almighty, it's such a simple point I have no idea how you can't grasp it. We were talking about why HF isn't that fussed on seeing Pardew sacked despite the fact he doesn't rate him, not how likely it is he'll be sacked. You're arguing with people for the sake of arguing with people. Oh, don't worry, I understand your "point" completely. I just find it ironic in the extreme that you would point out when you feel other posters are wasting their time whilst crusading non stop against Pardew, knowing full well there is absolutely no point. I mean, 99,9% of the posters of this board want him gone, so who are you trying to convince? Shame the man in control doesn't. Did I even say anyone was wasting their time?

Me neither. I don't think it's possible to challenge the top 5 regularly with cheap buys, but there's no reason we can't maintain mid-tale finishes shopping in the bargain bin as well as we have. It's only relevant here as player investment is used to justify the line of thought that Ashhley can bring in a manager with any class. Again we've invested more wisely in highly rated technical players, there's no reason to think we won't bring in a manager that complements them if and when the penny drops.

It's easy to miss the point when Interpolic decides what the point is, even though "the point" is completely theoretical. Sorry for busting your bubble if you naively believed we were in for a manager change. You did miss the point, I was wondering why HF hated the manager yet didn't want him sacked and you came storming in with a water pistol going on about how he wouldn't be sacked anyway.

His reason for believing Mike will appoint a better/more expensive manager was that we have made big investments on the field. The fact that we have not actually spent that much on the playing staff, points to this faith in further investment off the field being baseless. Further, investment in playing staff is not particularly relevant because playing staff offer a return on investment. They can be sold at profit, or at least allow the club to recoup some of what was paid. Managerial appointments offer no such return, so for Mike Ashley it's pissing money away. He's a cheap and nasty man. Go into Sports Direct if you don't believe it. We've invested more wisely is the point.

We'll continue going around in circles here, I've explained what I'm getting at. I suppose the main issue at hand is surrounding the potential next appointment and I've been over why I don't think we'd get Dave Bassett in next numerous times. We haven't made a managerial appointment in 2 and a half years and so much else has changed since then, a lot of it for the better. Isn't the main issue that Ashley will simply not sack Pardew so soon after handing him an eight year contract and telling the world of this revolutionary new approach to football club ownership where stability in management brings success on the pitch? Nope not really, not when we're debating whether we'd like to see Pardew sacked or not. If you think Happy Face is wasting his time by pointing out fallacies in overly harsh or (factually) unfounded criticism directed at Pardew, then what the hell are you doing debating whether you'd like to see Pardew sacked or not, knowing full well it won't happen? Christ almighty, it's such a simple point I have no idea how you can't grasp it. We were talking about why HF isn't that fussed on seeing Pardew sacked despite the fact he doesn't rate him, not how likely it is he'll be sacked. You're arguing with people for the sake of arguing with people.

It's so depressing that people think the top 1 per cent of clubs should hoover up all of the best players.