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It suggests that Ben Arfa was not being selected whilst he was fit and ready to play, I cannot possibly see how it could support what I'm saying more Of course he's going to say that at the time though, Hans. He was a frustrated man, itching to get back, show what he can do. I'm glad he made those comments at the time, but it's what he's said in hindsight, what he feels after the time, is what is important I reckon. I disagree, it's like when my boss knows I've had a pig of a time recently and has been too busy to offer any support whatsoever. They ask me while it's going on and I'll go off on a massive rant about it, they ask me when things have calmed down a bit and things are going better for me and I'll say it's no bother and I can barely remember what the fuss was. Couple that with the fact that it does him/me more harm than good to whinge once matters have improved, well there's not much chance of there being a great deal of moaning going on by that point. Doesn't mean he seriously agreed with it.

I'd keep him for 100 years if it meant I could see him one game a season. :lol: Verging on the ridiculous now like. Jack Flash has got a point tbh, I'd sign him up regardless but he hasn't played much football for us at all.

Hundreds of billions.

Mine came last July. http://images.wikia.com/smuff/images/e/ec/Deal_with_it_sloth.gif We've been shit in nearly every home game this season. http://cache.bordom.net/server/?type=image&size=full&id=aHR0cDovL3MzLWVjLmJ1enpmZWQuY29tL3N0YXRpYy9lbmhhbmNlZC93ZWIwNC8yMDExLzEyLzE5LzIyL2FuaWdpZl9lbmhhbmNlZC1idXp6LTI4NzgyLTEzMjQzNTEyMzUtNy5naWY%3D I've had to give up my season ticket since now I live in London and I'm missing our mini revivaL. http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md0ob9RVqO1rdtgc0o1_400.gif Exactly the same as my mate (ajewels on here), first match he missed was Chelsea FFS.

Mine came last July. http://images.wikia.com/smuff/images/e/ec/Deal_with_it_sloth.gif We've been shit in nearly every home game this season. http://cache.bordom.net/server/?type=image&size=full&id=aHR0cDovL3MzLWVjLmJ1enpmZWQuY29tL3N0YXRpYy9lbmhhbmNlZC93ZWIwNC8yMDExLzEyLzE5LzIyL2FuaWdpZl9lbmhhbmNlZC1idXp6LTI4NzgyLTEzMjQzNTEyMzUtNy5naWY%3D

They do nearly get relegated every season mind. They also get crowds of about 20k and have a wage bill that's probably a fraction of ours.

Well fucking hell, I'll watch my fucking letterbox. I'm not sure you can say calling someone mental is akin to saying they have a mental defect either, it's become a bit of a colloquialism. I'd imagine that you know that, so all of this outrage at the end of the conversation's just an attempt to make me look bad. Whatever, I'm not really bothered but you're well aware that I've never been on your case on here in the way a lot of others have been. Considering how mental you are, anyway. The reason I was asking you for sources is that you were barking figures and facts at me as if they were the Gospel. The reason I wasn't providing sources is that my points were unfortunately a bit airy-fairy and not really based on economics, e.g. it was a fantastic spectacle (my opinion, one which is widely held), it will leave a great legacy in terms of sparking peoples' interest for sport (not that easily measurable, and certainly not at this point in time) and that it gave people a great chance to see top class sport basically on their doorstep at an affordable price, which I've been through with you and won't budge on.

No, some tickets were reasonably priced, others weren't. What I did say though that over all including transport the cost of going to the Olympics and Paralympics was unaffordable for most people outside of London. Well it wasn't. Next. Yeah nice that isn't it?, someone who lives right next door to the Olympic park says "Coming to London to see the Olympics is affordable for those who live outside of the London area". It was affordable, it's got nothing to do with where I live. It wasn't affordable, and yes it does when you claim it is affordable for other people to travel down and attend the games when you yourself literally just have to walk out of your front door to get to the games. That's irrelevant because I can see past the end of my own nose. Tickets were affordable and train travel is affordable if you book in plenty advance, otherwise I had mates who booked event tickets short notice and jumped on the Megabus because they were desperate to get down and see some sport. Plus there's that example of my brother bringing a load of kids from his class, an example that will have been replicated up and down the country. Your brother would have been given funds to have done that and you have already admitted he had to make it a day trip because he could not get accommodation, something which isn't exactly ideal or viable in most cases. :lol: That's my cue to leave, you've just made that up. They didn't need accomodation, it was a day trip. What's the matter with that? It wasn't expensive. There was a sliding scale of ticket prices but for the Paralympics at least you never had to pay more than 20 quid a ticket. Tell me about people you've spoken to about it being expensive all you like, I'll trust my own experience and the experience of my mates (who aren't mental) who went. Basically your point is that the £11bn could have been better spent, I'm saying that it was a fantastic experience for a lot of people which will leave a good legacy in years to come. It wasn't "just so London could show off again" and I think your weird bitterness towards London shines through with everything you say. We'll never agree - you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. And on that note I'm off. It has not been fun.

No, some tickets were reasonably priced, others weren't. What I did say though that over all including transport the cost of going to the Olympics and Paralympics was unaffordable for most people outside of London. Well it wasn't. Next. Yeah nice that isn't it?, someone who lives right next door to the Olympic park says "Coming to London to see the Olympics is affordable for those who live outside of the London area". It was affordable, it's got nothing to do with where I live. It wasn't affordable, and yes it does when you claim it is affordable for other people to travel down and attend the games when you yourself literally just have to walk out of your front door to get to the games. That's irrelevant because I can see past the end of my own nose. Tickets were affordable and train travel is affordable if you book in plenty advance, otherwise I had mates who booked event tickets short notice and jumped on the Megabus because they were desperate to get down and see some sport. Plus there's that example of my brother bringing a load of kids from his class, an example that will have been replicated up and down the country.

No, some tickets were reasonably priced, others weren't. What I did say though that over all including transport the cost of going to the Olympics and Paralympics was unaffordable for most people outside of London. Well it wasn't. Next. Yeah nice that isn't it?, someone who lives right next door to the Olympic park says "Coming to London to see the Olympics is affordable for those who live outside of the London area". It was affordable, it's got nothing to do with where I live.

I've yet to see you quote one source, you haven't even said any figures at all, all you have done is "I don't agree" and then "Look it up yourself", oh and "It's a shithole because my mum says it is". You're the one barking out figures! I'm referring mainly to the social impact of the games, there are a million and one sources for that.

No, some tickets were reasonably priced, others weren't. What I did say though that over all including transport the cost of going to the Olympics and Paralympics was unaffordable for most people outside of London. Well it wasn't. Next.

Take up and continued participation in sports are down since before the Olympics, meaning less people are taking part in sports then they were before the Olympics, despite at the time of the Olympics participation showing a significant increase. That means the positive effects of the Olympic legacy have already ended and now less people are leading active lives then they were before the Olympics. Slate Skyscrapercity all you like, the fact is it's the worlds leading contraction and infrastructure forum with some of the worlds leading people in the industry taking part on there. It isn't a football forum. Source? Fuck me. I could quite easily say that grass is purple and they're the facts. It means nowt man, you mentalist. I haven't got a clue what Skyscraper City is, and I don't care. I post on a football forum because I like football, what the fuck you're on there for I don't have a clue.

You're not quoting sources mate, you're just barking figures at me. Feel 100% like I'm having a conversation with Rain Man.

You're trying to argue that the price of tickets was high now? Even for the Paralympics? I paid a tenner for wheelchair basketball at the O2, 15 quid to watch the 3rd place play-off and final of wheelchair basketball and 20 quid for the Paralympics closing ceremony. If you think that's dear you're off your tits. I also got the tickets really easily, I could have went to loads of other stuff if I had a bit more spare cash.

Howay then, where are your calculations coming from, i.e. link me to some nutjob on Skyscraper City or whatever it's called. Calculations-aside, many of the benefits of the Olympics are intangible in the short term. I also completely disagree with you that it's a short term effect. If the Olympics are what helped get a kid into sport, or an adult back into keeping fit then that's not short term, it's the spark that causes a long term positive effect. Euro 96 will have multiplied the amount of kids that were football daft by a long shot, and it's a similar idea. You've also neglected to mention that it was a fucking good show that gave people a once-in-a-lifetime chance to see top class sport in their own back yard.

How much would you estimate it would have cost for a family of 4 from Newcastle (or similar) to come down to see 3 or 4 events with trains (inc tube tickets), event tickets, accommodation, food etc? That's on top of probably needing at least a few days off work/school. Same goes for England playing their home games on a Friday night but that's by the by. Trains would have been cheap as chips if they'd got in early, ticket prices were reasonable (particularly for the Paralympics, which is what I went to). Not sure why you're going on about accommodation and taking lots of time off work, my brother's a teacher and he brought about 10 kids down to see some Paralympics events and they just did it like a day trip. What did you want them to do, host it all over the country?* People are just having a go for the sake of it. * Oh hang on, they did that. Fucking bollocks, you can only pre-book for so long before the event, the whole period of the Olympics and Paralympics was over inflated right from the start as every hotel operator, B&B owner, coach and train providers cashed in on the event. A few low key football games, aye thats fair. You book trains between Newcastle and London for relative pennies 3 months before the event, I know because I've done it for 5 years. The train companies didn't change that system for the Olympics. I'm not going to get dragged into an argument about the ticketing process, which did have its problems but they were dealing with unprecedented demand. As it happens, the smart thing to do (and it seemed obvious when we got to that point, but not sure how obvious it was!) would have been to have booked train tickets for during the Paralympics and you'd have been able to get tickets for any day you wanted. It was really, really easy to get Paralympics tickets.

Stifler. () 1. Don't dare tell me I'm only arsed about London and couldn't care less about the rest of the country including the North East. Honestly, just don't even try that one. 2. We've been over this a few times already but you refuse to acknowledge it. You've read a few forums and articles and are just blindly regurgitating what you've read without taking into account what people are actually saying to you. (Admittedly not sure how much but) let's just say a good proportion of the Olympics was paid for directly by London taxpayers, it's likely that it caused a surge in the economy up and down the country, it was a fantastic event that will have inspired many and encouraged them to clean up their act health-wise, etc. That's without the work that it created in construction, catering, etc. 3. Go away and type "olympics london council tax" into Google News. I've been reading the Standard for a few years and it's consistently referred to as a matter of fact that a chunk of people's council tax has been going towards the Olympics. Your thing about Council Tax going up simply because house prices were going up is utter, utter bilge.

I'll be fuming if we hoy the game on Thursday.

How much would you estimate it would have cost for a family of 4 from Newcastle (or similar) to come down to see 3 or 4 events with trains (inc tube tickets), event tickets, accommodation, food etc? That's on top of probably needing at least a few days off work/school. Same goes for England playing their home games on a Friday night but that's by the by. Trains would have been cheap as chips if they'd got in early, ticket prices were reasonable (particularly for the Paralympics, which is what I went to). Not sure why you're going on about accommodation and taking lots of time off work, my brother's a teacher and he brought about 10 kids down to see some Paralympics events and they just did it like a day trip. What did you want them to do, host it all over the country?* People are just having a go for the sake of it. * Oh hang on, they did that.

That is utter fucking bollocks mate, you should actually be ashamed. Do you think that makes one jot of difference to the type of people we're talking about? My mam works in a social housing role for the council, when I moved down here she asked me where I lived and I told her, she said "Oh, Tower Hamlets, I've heard of that. I've heard of that because it's the only borough in the country that's worse off than us". It's well documented that 'Londoners' would pay for the Olympics out of their own pocket, i.e. through council tax. So you're just making things up now.

It's definitely an opinion.

Misread that as John Carver.

Marvelous patter.

Many of the venues were built as temporary structures to be knocked down or downsized, they even recycled some bits to send over to Rio for the 2016 games. The white elephant stuff is rubbish and it's inevitable that people are coming out with it. The Olympic Park was built specifically not to create white elephants. There's more info on what they're doing with the Park now on, erm, Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympic_Park,_London To slag off London for it is just really bitter tbh, they couldn't have held it anywhere else in the UK and chose to have it in one of the most deprived areas in the whole country (where I live basically, which is a mix of grim poverty and poncey idiots like me - bit like a lot of London). People need to get rid of the chips on their shoulders about London, it's 3 hours on the fucking train man - you could have came along if you wanted to. As people have said, my council tax went towards the Olympics and I'm perfectly happy with that, I'm sure it caused a decent spike in the economy and you can't put a price on the spectacle it was and the inspiration it will have had on many people.