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And then you read the comments:

Who wrote that? He's got it absolutely spot on like, fair play to him.

What the fuck's he talking about, 'for the honesty of the league'? They can still finish 3rd

Fuck off man

“We’ve been saying the only way Newcastle can get their team bus to Wembley is if Middlesbrough fans take it! “We’ve also raised concerns that the driver might get lost, because he’s never been there before.” FUCKING BRUTAL

Not in the fucking slightest

We'll still be told we want the moon and the stars when we express our disdain at his appointment like.

He seems to be modelling his coaching style on that of a 13th century King.

The email say you're getting it back though, aye? I roped my mate into doing this and I cannot be bothered with the jip I'll get if he doesn't get his refund.

I didn't have to, it just let me withdraw. I had to verify my BET365 account last week though which was annoying.

I cannot even believe I'm indulging in a conversation with someone who's trying to tell me what I can and cannot discuss like, what the fuck am I doing? In a bit.

In fact it still happens with Marveaux. A player who many recognise is not a world beater, and in an ideal world wouldn't have been in our starting XI every week, but the circumstances behind him not playing lead to people talking about the issue more than normal.

THIS is my argument with HBA! He does not play for us anymore! Why are we randomly gracing him with praise? Hit. Nail. Head. I've agreed he is class, I've agreed that we need him, but the same all applies to Albert. But he played for us like a year ago and the people who are involved with him leaving a still in charge of the club, the players who have took his place are still at the club etc. I imagine it'll down die a touch in 20 years time. It would be the same if Cabaye or Debuchy left us in dodgy circumstances.

It would be canny strange of us to all randomly start gracing a player who left us nearly 2 decades ago with plaudits like Albert was class, if you ask anyone they'll say he was class. He's hardly the hot topic at the moment like, neither's Hughie Gallacher.

That isn't the issue at all, MYM was just the first name to come to mind. My issue was with HBA's work-rate and half arsed appearances but being classed as a hero on here whilst others with a similar work-rate are absolutely battered. Being good at football doesn't make you immune to critics. He's a direct winger who plays in bursts. His work rate was completely fine It's like complaining about Tim Krul because he's not running up the pitch and diving into challenges. For crying out loud, work-rate is not just running around and challenging. He is a flair winger, who's role is to create and score goals... Sadly in my opinion, he did not do it enough. He'd frequently fade out of games if it was not going his way. He created and scored loads of goals, partly because his work rate was absolutely fine.

I don't know if they're still up but you could literally Google 80-90% of the games he started in and there was some 5 minute compilation video of him rinsing defenders

That isn't the issue at all, MYM was just the first name to come to mind. My issue was with HBA's work-rate and half arsed appearances but being classed as a hero on here whilst others with a similar work-rate are absolutely battered. Being good at football doesn't make you immune to critics. He's a direct winger who plays in bursts. His work rate was completely fine It's like complaining about Tim Krul because he's not running up the pitch and diving into challenges.

My point is that is wasn't just Pardew and Bruce who saw this. It was all of his managers in France too. The risk of it all going wrong was always high, even when you first signed him. Having someone like Pardew in charge made it even more likely. Fair enough, it goes further than just a bust up with Pardew like, he was managed horrendously from the start because of his fear of playing an offensive winger in a 4-3-3 (so much so that he tried to pretend he wasn't a winger at one point). He dropped his guard once and we were fantastic for 5-6 games on the trot, got battered off Wigan and it was back to regiment 4-4-2s and 'grafting' wingers. This went on for like 3 year.

There's seemingly an issue with his personality, or his work rate in training, or something else behind the scenes we're unaware of. I'm not really seeing how this translates to Shola Ameobi and Obertan starting games of football ahead of him though. We'll always live in the past as there's fuck all in the present to cheer about, the same as 90% of other football fans really.

He was "chronically mismanaged" at Lyon and Marseille too under better managers. At what stage does HBA take responsibility for himself? Honestly don't start, you have absolutely no clue about his treatment here, you couldn't possibly. ;D ;D ;D His treatment? Was he chained to a wall during training sessions? Then thrown in a dark room for 2 weeks when he didn't track back? Aye, all of that. Also he was consistently placed on the bench/out the squad for 2-3 games at a time whilst we played the likes of Ryan Taylor in his place. It's been said hundreds of times before though, the salient fact is as someone on the outside you have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about.

No, he would have thrown a wobbly just like he did at Lyon and Marseille and refused to play and put in a transfer request. Hasn't he got about four French titles? And left the country with an adoring fanbase from both clubs It's almost as if there's some kind of reason for it.

He was "chronically mismanaged" at Lyon and Marseille too under better managers. At what stage does HBA take responsibility for himself? Honestly don't start, you have absolutely no clue about his treatment here, you couldn't possibly.

Definitely, he's the type of player we have needed in this slump - someone who can make something out of nothing. I just fail to understand why he is loved on here when in reality compared to others, he has contributed very little and made an arse out of his own career. There is no doubt he's a talented footballer. Because the way he plays is highly likely why most of us fell in love with football and the kind of football we dreamed about Unless of course you dreamt about Gouffran running 15 yards and then passing the ball 10 yards to Colback? I can totally understand that and as I have said, I loved his moments of magic. But the reality is, a lot of the time he did not show up. Sterling has been hammered on here recently for not showing up certain games, similar player, similar attitude. That isn't the reality though, it's something you're just saying to suit your agenda whilst ignoring the mitigating factors behind why his form may have been up and down. Sterling is a good point, although I don't think he's capable of anything close to the ridiculous things Ben Arfa could pull off. We're football fans, we'll make stupid, hypocritical comments about other players from other teams, you could look hard enough and you'd find people slagging off Eden Hazard and Diego Costa for not turning up, actually scratch that, you could click on the Messi thread and see people saying the same things about Christiano Ronaldo

Some people just don't get it and they never will, it's quite sad really. Ben Arfa was never a world beater, but he was still the most talented footballer we had and when played correctly (ie on the right and starting every game) he lived up to expectations. The fact he was capable of the sublime means he'll always be revered by those who have a soul. It's even harder to take when you've been banging on about this for about 3 year whilst he's been chronically mismanaged, shamelessly robbing us of many amazing memories, replaced by the odd Gouffran tap in, Ameobie's heavy breathing and Obertan tripping over his own feet.