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Spanish are playing so safe and boring game

That was clear penalty, and cant understand what the ref was saying. That Pavon dived?

But it clearly does work though, based on that France penalty. Refs have been bottling decisions all game because they just rely on VAR. Both blatant penalties, but the ref didn't have the balls to give either without VAR. Umtiti handball was called by the assistand, not VAR I thought...

Hopefully Peru is better than other much hyped team Morocco. The Guerrero situation also is a bit farce, but hope they beat the French.

The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle" Nobody believes this. If a tackle is reckless for example then winning the ball is irrelevant. Please explain how winning the ball in this case didn't negate the contact that came afterwards? Like what was it about the tackle that was wrong? Because the slightest of touches doesnt even take the ball away from Griezmann. After the first contact to the ball, it's still a goal scoring situation. There are 5 video referees that have watched it in slow motion and the referee watched it again. I seem to think they have more understanding to the laws of game than you. I think Griezmann was still getting to the ball, hard to say though. If he had tackled the ball away from Griezmann and then clipped him, fine. For me it looked like he was still clean through. I've never seen this kind of argument for justification of a penalty before like. In the Premiership atleast. Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle and whatever comes afterwards has been irrelevant unless there's a kickout or a short/shirt grab or whatever. I'm assuming this is because the game is usually refereed in real time, and not in slow motion by 5 referees who know better than me. EDIT: We're talking as if this is like different phases of play or something because it's getting dissected in slo-mo. It was all one fluid motion in real time, he won the ball and then took the player. Seen what kind of argument? Its a penalty because he takes away a goal scoring chance by tripping the opponent. He doesn't tackle the ball away from Griezmann, then it would be fair tackle. "Every time the ball is touched it's always been classed as a fair tackle" You just said no one thinks this. It's not just for dangerous tackles and such, "winning the ball" is not when 0,01 inches of your stud touches the ball and the player still has a good goal scoring chance. This seems to be some English argument.

The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle" Nobody believes this. If a tackle is reckless for example then winning the ball is irrelevant. Please explain how winning the ball in this case didn't negate the contact that came afterwards? Like what was it about the tackle that was wrong? Because the slightest of touches doesnt even take the ball away from Griezmann. After the first contact to the ball, it's still a goal scoring situation. There are 5 video referees that have watched it in slow motion and the referee watched it again. I seem to think they have more understanding to the laws of game than you. I think Griezmann was still getting to the ball, hard to say though. If he had tackled the ball away from Griezmann and then clipped him, fine. For me it looked like he was still clean through.

The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They f***ed up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty. The follow up had about as much purchase as a hair. I'm sick of this whole contact=foul nonsense. The game's dead when fans of the game are perpetuating this bollocks. This man. Why aren't all challenges that have follow through not given as fouls then if that's the rule? Because usually the dont take away a goalscoring chance like in this case? Funny that there are still people who think "winning the ball=always a fair tackle"

The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They fucked up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul.. It means he won the ball so unless it was reckless (or he does something else like pull the player down with his arm) then aye it literally does. No it doesnt. The follow through clips Griezmann's legs when he is clean through. 100% penalty.

The replay shows the ball deviates slightly which means he touched the ball. They fucked up. Touching a ball slightly doesnt mean that it isnt a foul..

Because there is a foul?

France really poor. No pressing and no combinations.. Nothing

You sure? It's a tight one surely. If you draw a line from the ball, he maybe few inches ahead of it..

Buffon fault for 2 goals

There was a incident like this in a World Cup game England vs Germany few years back. 2006 or 2010 can't remember. Long ball played, German defender cant control it, goes to Rooney -> flagged offside. I haven't seen the Lovren case, but the player behind and in an offside position is affecting the game in these cases. Otherwise defender could just let the ball run to him and get the freekick for offside.

Our salvation might be that there are teams in the league that are very poor. Stoke, Wba and Huddersfield really are losing a lot. At least we are getting draws from here and there..

Counted us to get 14 points from remaining games. That means we have to win the biggest rivals at home. Not likely, but maybe we can sctratch few 0-0s away. Everton or perhaps ManU at home.

Draw against these and Swansea.. 4 points dropped...

I have always liked Slimani, much rather have him than Deeney, Ings or permacrock-Sturridge, who of course is better if fit. If this goes through then at least some sort of success, although no 10 is also something we lack.

So we are effectively defending with 5? Ritchie dropping to left back

Funny that our only International striker is not good enough to play..

IMO Gayle was just offside though, but maybe 3 inches. Manquillo has been poor.

I think we have been decent. They only create anything from Yedlin's side and by crosses/set pieces. Hopefully we can nick this.

Scared of Firmino.. They are bound to score.

Rafa's tactics just isn't working against these teams. He sets us to sit back and frustrate, but these small teams get a huge boost when they have all the possession and get the crowd behind them. Always going to concede and didn't look like scoring.

This is just the kind of game Mitro would be useful. Could keep the ball up for a moment