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Interesting, not sure I agree. I think Rodgers genuinely went about learning how to play a brand of football he admired and believed in. I watch Liverpool, and they are playing far better stuff than they were under Dalglish. Suarez who many said wasn't a finisher last season, now looks even better, and is scoring more, from the better chances he is getting. Also, youngsters are coming into the team, and are being given the freedom to play, and are performing. He's hardly spent anything, and imo is moving the team to a better place than they were last year under Dalglish. If you look at the two managers Rodgers is the one that deserves more time, if anything, because the football is better, and he is clearly able to get his ideas across. Also, the talent in the academy is actually being utilised now, and is clearly being developed. What does Pardew have to show for himself? He did spend £16m odd on Joe Allen and £10m-11m on Borini. Sahin in as well for some extortionate loan fee, plus a few others I haven't heard of totalling around £5m at a guess. He's spent a fucking fortune compared to what Pardew spent this season! But yes, they are playing some decent stuff and the youngsteres are shining.

3-0 loss

I don't see any evidence of players not giving their all - in fact that is all the manager is asking for, we never hear him talk at the minute about anything other than grinding or working, well apart from magic and luck. You do become a poor player if you're outnumbered and have nobody to pass to because they're not allowed out of their position, or if you're being asked to win headers against bruising centre halves when you're physically incapable of it. Did you see his quotes from yesterday? Apparently the key to turning this around is winning more headers, trying harder and (my personal favourite) running faster. Fuck off is that real? You've made this up haven't you?! I know winning games last season helped us ignore some comments to a degree. But his PR and comments to the press have been embarrassing, cringeworthy and annoying as fuck in the last 2-3 weeks. He's cracked and he's doing all he can to deflect the blame. The journal article from this morning is worrying though. Saying the players have to get us out of this rut, still blaming the injuries and Europe.

Might be wrong, but didn't he say something like "players that have played in the competition previously and done well. Didn't do so well tonight?" I thought he was referring to Bigi and Sammy mainly, as they were both crap and have done well in the Europa so far. Marv was hit and miss granted, but he scored and was our only attacking threat second half. Doesn't say a lot admittedly. Who knows? Probably just more hot air to deflect the heat off him. Aye, you might be right. I was fighting the baby at the time so he didn't have my full attention! Who won?

Might be wrong, but didn't he say something like "players that have played in the competition previously and done well. Didn't do so well tonight?" I thought he was referring to Bigi and Sammy mainly, as they were both crap and have done well in the Europa so far. Marv was hit and miss granted, but he scored and was our only attacking threat second half. Doesn't say a lot admittedly. Who knows? Probably just more hot air to deflect the heat off him.

Even without signings. We are littered with issues. Set pieces - these could be improved tenfold with a bit of variation. We try that sneaky corner routine once in a blue moon and that's it. They're so easy to defend against, we rarely play them short and we never look to whip a quick, flat cross in. Worst in the league I reckon? Style of play - whether we set up with a 4-4-2/4-3-3/4-2-3-1 or whatever. We don't have the personnel to play a direct style, yet we still persist with it? Krul's hopeless long punts upfield are just depressing. We constantly surrender possession and never control games. The centre backs should pull wide, full backs pushing on, with Tiote, Anita or whoever coming in for the short option from the back just in front of the CB's. Something we've done at times in Europe with a bit of success. We don't really build attacks, we kind of accidentally stumble upon an attack. Usually after a loose ball is picked up by Ba or someone, or we give it to HBA and shout "Run Hatem, Run" in an Alabama accent. Movement off the ball - I guess this could go into style of play. But whether we're playing Allardyce or Guardiola football. Standing still at all times and not moving from your designated area is a bit pointless. Mix up our tactics - every team in the league now seems to know if they go a goal up they'll get a point at least. We're so predictable. Start slow and methodically. Try and keep it tight until we get a goal. Then sit back and invite pressure onto us and try a counter attack on the odd occassion. The counter attacks usually don't work or fizzle out. We never look to hit teams early and get more than one goal. Last night was the perfect example. At 1-0, we should have smelled blood and gone for the kill. Instead, we reverted to type and tried to sit on a narrow lead. Predictably, it came back to bite us. Even with the injuries and suspensions. We could get a lot more out of this side if we did the basics properly. These are all fundemental problems and the management are using the strecthed/small squad and injuries as an excuse, to cover up their own shortcomings. I would imagine most people will say similar to this. Same as they've been doing in the Pardew thread?

Even when we have the chance to whip the ball in, we go for the chip/aimless punt that usually results in a foul against or a goal kick. Or worse, a quick counter attack from the opposition. We slow the game down everytime we get a free kick. No urgency whatsoever.

I think he has had a lot of unfair criticism from fans. But he was utter shite last night. His passing, positioning and set pieces were all atrocious. Plus, he got knocked off the ball with ease everytime he had it. The formation makes him look bad, but he was well below par last night regardless. I think he's a good player. But he's settling into a new league and team and we play abject football.

What a load of bollocks. Weakened teams have performed pretty well in this competition. Now he's saying we don't have enough attacking quality to see of Maritimo? We're a Premier League side that finished 5th last season FFS. We didn't even attempt to attack them second half and got passed off the pitch. Oooh we lost Shola, how depressing, he's world class that lad. Did we not have one of the most prolific strikers in the country up top second half? Or did I imagine that? Stop lying Pards!

Quite how we've got ourselves into this position I don't know. 4 points dropped against Maritimo is a joke TBH. Should have won both games easily. We've been in pole position to top the group since the half time against Bordeaux, yet we've fucked it right up. We'll get fuck all in France, a draw at best. Which coincidentally, would have been enough to top the group if we weren't so fucking gutless. We'll get battered by the first half decent team we face.

3-1 loss.

Him and Bigi centre mid in a 4-4-2.... How fucking depressing.

Played well in patches, doesn't get involved enough, but we don't really allow him to get involved enough. We seem happy to give the ball away and run around like headless chickens. Do wish he'd run at his man more often. Has really good control and a nice change of pace. Beautiful bit of play for the goal, hope he can kick on from here and find a bit of consistency.

How badly has he cracked? That post match interview was cringeworthy. Looked like he was crumbling and was clearly fuming. Excuse, deflect blame, excuse, lie, injuries, lie, excuse, injuries, get angry, did I mention injuries? Clueless. Played weakened sides all competition and we've done ok. Then, when we're down to the bare bones, he plays virtually our strongest XI, with two key players getting injured in the process? Outclassed at home by Maritimo. We've not played well all season bar the first half against Bordeaux and 20 minutes against Liverpool. We're a fucking shambles and the excuses don't wash with me. The excuse for sitting back fucked me off. Something about losing two attacking players, so we had to sit back a bit. Sorry, what? We're 1-0 up, against a vastly inferior team, we're at home and we still have Ba, Sammy and Marveaux on the pitch. They need a goal, so let's just sit back and invite them onto us, leaving a 60 yard gap in middle of the pitch in the process. What a bloody brilliant idea.....

For the first 20 minutes, it looked like a flat 4-4-2 with HBA up top with Cisse. Then he seemed to get pissed off and started drifting and picking the ball up far too deep at times. Second half I have no idea what was going on, but you could have driven a double decker through our midfield. Positions seemed to go out of the window! I'm all for movement and a bit of fluidity, but fuck me that was clueless. Outplayed at home against Mari FUCKING timo.

These 'winnable' games we have running up to the horrible festive period are going well Colo missing , Cabaye out til the new year, HBA missing 2-3 games minimum. We've just lost our only creative force in the team. Nice.

Don't understand the pressing from our team, or lack of it. Quite often, Bigi is the furthest up the pitch. Trying to hound defenders on his own and just leaves a shit load of space in behind. Starting with a genuine 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 didn't help him or Anita. They were both shit last night IMO, but were pretty hamstrung by our baffling tactics YET AGAIN!

http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/11/22/stars-are-a-big-miss-admits-newcastle-united-boss-72703-32283074/#ixzz2Cwr3EpQh aln pls He clearly reads the forum an twitter I reckon he's trying so hard to disprove anything we are saying! Probably has Carver taking notes from fans in the pubs as well.

Bigi talking about our style of play. Someone else linked to NUFC that is hinting at us favouring long balls. Not sure we get forward quicker mind. The ball might, the players certainly don't.

Spot on. I said this early on in the season. I was hoping our Europa tactics were a sign of things to come. Never materialised though. I know we're playing inferior opposition and the style is different. But fuck me, it's a worry when most of our better football is coming from so called fringe players.

Moving on from all the gripes about his interviews and playing style. He really needs to get rid of this 'never came from a goal down to win in the league' stat. Apart from maybe the relegation season, I can't remember a time, where every time you go a goal down, you're thinking 'we now can't win the game, best we can hope for is a draw'. It's fucking depressing TBH.

I don't want him out, nor do I expect him to be sacked. He's here for the long haul IMO whether people like it or not. I actually yearn a bit of stability and I like Pardew. However. When we seem to be going backwards, we have a horrendous playing style that's getting worse and a manager that appears to have gone into his footballing shell due to a few injuries and poor results. He's ultra negative and defensive in his interviews and with his tactics. I understand the concerns from fans. As I am pretty fucking worried myself I must say.

Just waiting for the excuses now Cabaye is out. Tried to use Cisse as an excuse against Swansea, no doubt he'll do the same with Cabaye. He'll keep trying with two from Jonas/Bigi/Tiote/Anita in centre mid and we'll get raped. He's being pushed to change the formation and system, yet he still won't alter a damn thing.

He can't kick a football properly. Which is a concern I must say.

Yeah, he used to be on here. Then he lost his mind and went on a rampage. Now he seems like the most bitter and twisted football fan in the world. Something tipped him over the edge. I think it was the 5-1!