Kid Icarus

If there had been a donation box there'd only be something else some people would say they should be doing anyway. Honestly, I don't know where 'support the team, not the regime' disappeared to. It was the ready made reason for supporting Newcastle without supporting Ashley. It's an argument that applies to this situation as it did with Ashley, yet instead people feel the need to defend or nitpick over arguments against a regime that's 100x more indefensible.

Spawny undeserved draws away from home are what you need when you're second bottom.

I remember saying to Yorkie last year when the takeover fell through that everyone's searching for a feeling rather than success. Hopefully if that's true, people will get that feeling back soon and realise they shouldn't need to compromise on the daft little things that mean a lot in exchange for the success, it can/will happen regardless.

Yeah I think that's absolutely spot on like. Not that I personally blame Newcastle fans, I just think it's a sad indictment of the position Ashley and his frontmen drove the fanbase over 14 years, just as it was driven to those better positions about what a football club is supposed to mean by the likes of Keegan and SBR in the first place.

Kind of how I feel about the 'what is a club in any case' SBR quote in relation to us. I still remember how much everyone on here lauded those words when his book came out and then especially when he died. How true what he was saying was and how it summed up what it means to support your club. Fast forward to now and believing in that feels as ridiculous as believing in Santa in your 30s. The fact he specifically talks about it not being the contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes is just an extra kick in the nuts. Ashley completely ruined this fanbase's sense of proprietary like.

You're using Spurs as an example but they haven't renamed their stadium.

Fucking Martinez and Lampard man. I'd have been gutted with either of those under Ashley never mind the richest baddies on the planet.

Blows my mind when former players say things about tactics and managers not being all that important and that it's down to the players as if they're not also playing against footballers at the absolute peak of fitness and mental attitude who are managed and have tactical instructions.

What I heard was along the lines of 'there are reports of Fonseca being announced today. From what I've heard I'd be surprised if that ends up happening'

I'm listening to it as well. All I can say is that I didn't hear that

For £20-50m a year when they can find other ways to wangle it just seems pointless.

Surprised if he gets the job today

The money involved shouldn't be anywhere near worth selling out for anyway. £20-£50m a year when you're talking about some of the most powerful people in the world, who have unlimited resources to find ways to bring in revenue in other ways? What's the point.

We all are now compared to the politics of the club's owners and main fan representatives like.

I've never known anyone that even sticks up for Wraith aside from Greg, ironically.

Not sure about those comparisons like. Pep and Klopp didn't have PL experience but were already arguably the two best managers out there having won major leagues and champions leagues, all of the managers mentioned also came in to manage far, far, far better squads that Newcastle's.

I think it is tbh, arguably worse considering the connection. But I get why you think differently.

I can't see how this can possibly work with the current players in the squad like Seems incredibly, needlessly risky

I get that those things are different, what I'm saying is that the overwhelming argument and outrage at the time was about the name being sacred and in that sense this should be no different, but it is because everything has its price.

I don't see how it's different tbh, the whole argument at the time about the club not benefitting financially from the name change was as an aside to the much bigger, more popular argument about the name being sacred. The only thing I disagree with TheGuv on there is being surprised, because it's clear everything has its price. May as well start putting product placement in the 'what is a club in any case...' quote tbh.

That's what Ashley did though.

Absolutely out of the question as far as I'm concerned. Find another way

Ha, no way, I used to work with Jamie. Great lad.

It really is the sort of thing that should make every fanbase stop making the same lazy assumptions about every other fanbase like. Never does.