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He was on the bench at Forest quite a bit, but I agree with everything else.

I thought he was a shocking signing and I said that at the time. He's actually been worse however, than even I thought he was going to be. Absolutely criminal what we paid for him.

I agree with this also. Germany had the exact same problem, but the manager changed it and within their last two games, Woltemade had support, getting the ball played to him consistently (not being totally isolated) and getting onto decent service being played into him. If one manager in less games can see the issue and correct it, then why not Howe (it's getting worse not better)?

Which is what our whole game plan this season is based on, as the press has disappeared totally months ago. Today though was just a totally cowardly set up in every way, and to then be told as if we're stupid, that there were positive things, is both insulting to the support and embarrassing. His captain made him look stupid today. He absolutely shit himself today and played right into the mackem's hands.

The fact that his captain came out with exactly what the manager should have been saying was not a good look. Actually trying to say there was positive things within that performance was a joke. Doesn't help either when you have a set of journalists who will not ask the hard questions.

Aye this fucker should be peddled straight away.

Total opposite of the Howe out/in poll. Just a bit condescending there

Totally agree

We have needed a playmaker and someone who can control play for three years now and we're still waiting. Should be the key target signing this January, it won't be though

Here's the coward, here's six words for you fuck off you utter inbred tramp

No chance that happens under Howe it will nearly always be one or the other.

Those overall plans include this season though, continuous top level European football.

No such thing as a transition season, when you have a five year plan which requires playing top level European football every season to progress. I just don't understand why people are even thinking that there is.

They need to be, they need to be slamming the five year plan of his desk in this morning especially after that cowardly performance. The plan that relies on continuous top European competition to progress. He is not the club and the only thing that matters is the team and its progress.

Is that true though, or did Howe just rip the plans up to suit his thinking, with the backing of the Chairman? I'm be gobsmacked if there wasn't a plan in place. I just think that Mitchell's plans were totally not in sync to what Howe wanted

Yep we did

Can't blame them for that mind, we did exactly the same for the cup match. If you can't take it then don't give it out

DoF was pushed as a direct result of Howe immediately after the season ended, that's total bollocks that he walked

History, to be a top club you don't look at past achievements, you build on them. That's the problem with some, they can't see that.

I take no notice of those people as you either have to question their knowledge on football or they are plainly sheep. If anyone is being pulled up for raising obvious issues, then it has to be one of the two. That today was a cowards performance and there is no getting away from that.

No we didn't offer a threat all game. Fucking hell man that's pisses me off even more

We're not even showing athleticism either.

It's about changing things when it's obvious that things are not going to the overall plan. Got fuck all to do that it's the women's team is the fact that the owners will have targets for the club as a unity.