Bellis80

You wait and take what you can get like loads of people had to do previously when you couldn’t get one.

In relation to cup final tickets I don’t think it is unfair. A few years ago if someone said a member could get a cup final ticket ahead of a season ticket holder, regardless of how many cup games they’d done that season, you’d think they were mental. Members want loyalty points but the loyalty points for away games weren’t considered at all. And they want access to away games which would mean taking tickets away from those with loyalty points as well. Nearly all the arguments for members, other than a waiting list, is them wanting the benefits of a season ticket by taking the same away from season ticket holders.

Other clubs do it because it makes more money and they don’t have many season ticket holders so they can offer an attractive membership that can offer cup final tickets. We have more or as many as any cup final allocation so can’t do it. Season tickets are cheaper because you’re paying for every game months in advance with no idea what day or time the game will be. i understand why people who gave up season tickets and are still desperate to go to games aren’t happy, and there should be a way of putting them ahead if more season tickets come up, but they knew exactly how the system worked. It’s the reason most people kept them when it was no fun going.

Chelsea and Liverpool can both allocate more tickets to members because they don’t have many season ticket holders. If every season ticket holder took a cup final ticket they would still have 10k spare near enough. They can offer an attractive membership scheme without affecting people that go all the time. It’s not the same here. The thinking that season ticket holders are just entitled to their own seat for 19 games a season when they’re forking out months in advance for games they have no idea what day or time they will kick off (and the cup scheme has forced them to do the same for cup games as well) is mental.

I think it’s more a case of have we ever played as well as we can do in an away game against a good side? Even playing well without getting a result? Only the Arsenal cup game I think and maybe the game at Anfield where Isak had one disallowed. To be so good at home and still not be going and laying a glove on the better teams is frustrating.

I didn’t think anyone saw those as big games but yes they played well in those.

Apart from Arsenal away I can’t remember any big away game we’ve played well in (PSG was a gutsy effort but they had a million chances before the penalty). And it’s worrying how we don’t seem to have learnt anything from them.

The membership scheme is tiered. It’s just tiered with season ticket holders and those with loyalty points at the top of it so people don’t like it.

That was part of the details for season ticket holders when signing up though. So could only read to me like you’re not losing anything by transferring the ticket. I’d be throwing everything at them.

I’d be taking it further if I was in that position having transferred a ticket. This is from the site when the cup scheme started. TRANSFERRING TICKETS Season ticket holders will be able to transfer tickets to eligible registered family members or friends if they are unable to attend a match. Eligibility to access future rounds/finals will remain with the original season ticket holder.

I was thinking in England but if the two best examples are clubs that built stadiums smaller than their old one my point stands.

In theory it could but every new ground I remember has thought that and it hasn’t happened.

I agree. But people shouldn’t be using an improved atmosphere as a reason to move as it’s never happened. The argument about the old atmosphere also doesn’t make much sense to me. The 80s and early 90s in English football were the worst attendances there had ever been but the atmosphere was better? Not having it unless people kicking fuck out of each other and people getting set on fire is what people want again.

Still hasn’t been a new ground in the last 30 years with a better atmosphere despite every one being talked about as having perfect acoustics and design. All bullshit.

They were miles off it from the first minute for whatever reason. They’ve been on a great run and it was going to happen eventually. But how the three subs came on and managed to be even worse was incredible.

Letting him try and run it off doesn’t seem the best move but at least he’s not played like a man on one leg for months before having the operation.

I heard the intial scans all showed something wrong to varying degrees, the club were happy for him to have surgery, he thought he could rest it, the other injury situations at the club played into that decision and now he’s out for another 6-9 months after playing like shit and looking nothing like he did before the injury for a couple of months.

Not sure how they align when you were told it was all ok and the new injury came out of the blue when Downie’s description sounds like they made every wrong decision from start to finish.

The only finals I can think of hosting are Rugby or Football. You’re not getting a Uefa final away from Wembley and you’re not getting a Rugby final away from Twickenham, other than ones we’ve already had.

Sunderland are nicking the big concerts. They’ve got one this year.

Which ones then?

Fair enough but no clubs in England are having more than a few concerts a year. Needing a new stadium for that doesn’t seen worthwhile.

What high profile sporting finals could they have? There hasn’t been a uefa final in England outside of Wembley since it was rebuilt. We’ve had Rugby finals as well as international games in rugby and football.

People wanting to play in a not full stadium yet moaning about the current atmosphere doesn’t make much sense. How many concerts do other clubs have? Spurs have three listed this summer and can’t remember other clubs having more than that. Also got the rugby union european finals which St James had recently. Is only the nfl in addition to that and probably no more of those games to go around. If concerts are such a big draw and money spinner why are they building the new arena near enough the same size as the old one?

Would have preferred to see him show a bit of interest on Monday night.