Mowen Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ramos paying the price for Danny Comical being useless. They're paying the price for being a selling club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ramos paying the price for Danny Comical being useless. They're paying the price for being a selling club. Also true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 You'd presume so. They really should not be doing this badly. I don't get it - decent enough players, and (I thought) a decent enough manager. At least with us we've got this debacle to use as an excuse. Christ I can't believe how bad they are. I actually believe that they could get relagated now, Corluka will be out for a bit, King is a sick note, both Dawson and Bale banned for two games. I keep pointing the above point out to my housemate, there is genuine light at the end of the tunnel for us, but them. Fizzy pop anyone. a lot of people were saying at the start of the season that spurs have their usual trouble. loads of nice flair players but no physical strength. a very poor mans version of arsenal a couple of years back when they could be pushed about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dave Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Are Spurs are feeling the same kind of problems we have had? Ie the system not letting the manager do his bit to a satisfactory standard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Yes but by the same accord, their playing staff on paper is considerably better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Jenas - couldn't happen to a nicer fella. Jamie Redknapp really having a go at the Spurs setup (having a DoF) Weren't we not lambasted a few weeks ago (in the main) for being opposed to such a regime?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Are Spurs are feeling the same kind of problems we have had? Ie the system not letting the manager do his bit to a satisfactory standard? If I was the manager and got in some of the players their 'system' did, I'd not have been too upset. However the problem is that they then sold their best players (strikers at that), didn't replace them well enough, and failed to really strengthen their midfield defensively, which is where they always seem to struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Yes but by the same accord, their playing staff on paper is considerably better. Makes no difference if the players Ramos wanted and the players they brought in were different. Just asking the question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Yes but by the same accord, their playing staff on paper is considerably better. They're midfield is the only place were they look better IMO. Put Owen and Martins up front for them and they wouldn't be in the position they are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Are Spurs are feeling the same kind of problems we have had? Ie the system not letting the manager do his bit to a satisfactory standard? If I was the manager and got in some of the players their 'system' did, I'd not have been too upset. However the problem is that they sold their best players (strikers at that), didn't replace them well enough, and failed to really strengthen their midfield defensively, which is where they always seem to struggle. Who's to say Ramos didn't want some midfield muscle and they ignored him? Who's to say they didn't promise not to sell Berbatov and then did so? Sounds familiar... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Yes but by the same accord, their playing staff on paper is considerably better. Makes no difference if the players Ramos wanted and the players they brought in were different. Just asking the question. Aye I know what you're saying same system same outcome. But even if Ramos didn't want any of them, that side should not be there. Its down to poor man management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Are Spurs are feeling the same kind of problems we have had? Ie the system not letting the manager do his bit to a satisfactory standard? Ramos worked with a DOF at Seville but he chose the players to sign. He would say what position & the type of player they were looking for, he would then pick the player from a shortlist presented by the DOF. At Spurs I get the feeling Comical goes shopping for names or players with a sell on value rather than team building. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Yes but by the same accord, their playing staff on paper is considerably better. They're midfield is the only place were they look better IMO. Put Owen and Martins up front for them and they wouldn't be in the position they are now. very true anyone who rate: Bent, Pavlyuchenko, and Dos Santos going to be good players is mental. Missing keane was the most influencing... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Surprised to see them where they are but not surprised that Ramos is having a mare. The cup win papered over the very average job he did last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Dos Sanots is going to be a very good player no doubts about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 he's obviously no mug after winning the uefa twice in a row, but he had a very good understanding with monchi about which players would come in. i doubt he has that kind of relationship with comolli. Monchi said he never went out and got a player Ramos would not want- there'd be no point. likewise Ramos didnt veto any Monchi suggestions as the two had such good communication that the one knew exactly what the other wanted or was thinking. spurs have had a horrible transfer window, ironically, after starting it so well. last season, no matter how unbalanced their side was, they could fall back on one of the best strike partnerships in the league (and even defoe on the bench). now they have darren bent up front alone and charlton got relegated with that. there is nothing saving their deficancies elsewhere on the pitch. for instance modric is a good player but he needs people alongside him who will provide muscle, presence, poise - so spurs play the soft as shite, headless chickens of zokora and jenas. any defence relying on michael dawson is totally fucked, the keeper is still settling in, dos santos is a circus act etc also think ramos is struggling with the language - i dont think he can motivate or man manage his players. he tinkers a bit too much as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Are Spurs are feeling the same kind of problems we have had? Ie the system not letting the manager do his bit to a satisfactory standard? If I was the manager and got in some of the players their 'system' did, I'd not have been too upset. However the problem is that they sold their best players (strikers at that), didn't replace them well enough, and failed to really strengthen their midfield defensively, which is where they always seem to struggle. Who's to say Ramos didn't want some midfield muscle and they ignored him? Who's to say they didn't promise not to sell Berbatov and then did so? Sounds familiar... I believe Ramos has always had another person doing the transfers wherever he's been so it's no excuse for him. Perhaps the fact he can't speak English isn't helping him...or the fact he has to work with the cunt as his assistant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ramos paying the price for Danny Comical being useless. They're paying the price for being a selling club. True But what options where available? 2 of the big four came calling and while Keane was professional, Berbatov just spat his dummy out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 The midfield is good?!? That is what is killing them, they have no one who can the win the ball & lack left midfielder/left wingers. They are well stocked at right midfield/right wing & central attacking midfielders. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Their midfield is rather like a balloon floating in the wind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 Ramos paying the price for Danny Comical being useless. They're paying the price for being a selling club. True But what options where available? 2 of the big four came calling and while Keane was professional, Berbatov just spat his dummy out. They should of sold Berba weeks before then they would of been able to bring a replacement instead of scrunging around late on transfer deadline day. Again with Kean the tried the old tapping up line to squeeze more cash out Liverpool. Levy has to feel like he has won every deal if his ego had let him make maybe a few million less his team may of been better off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 How can their midfield be good when it contains Jermaine Jenas as the first name on the teamsheet? If they go down, he'll find his level, Championship player at best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted October 19, 2008 Share Posted October 19, 2008 How can their midfield be good when it contains Jermaine Jenas as the first name on the teamsheet? If they go down, he'll find his level, Championship player at best. I loved Martin Tyler today: "Jermaine Jenas...so often the craftsman" *Jenas hits a terrible free kick into the stands* "But his craft deserted him there" I was roflcoptering across the floor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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