STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Chronicle. That's what I said. Well done Well done for posting shite from the chronicle. Amazing how many people post their shite, yet hate their reporting and writers. If it's in the chronicle, it's undoubtedly bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 It's their opinion pieces that are bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. He has achieved higher than expected. Not failed and sacked at a team thought to be best in that league He's done fuck all of note in his career. On that basis we should re-hire Pardew because Palace were expected to go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 It's their opinion pieces that are bullshit. People hand pick their stories to suit an agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newintoon Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. with a team that was expected to flirt with relegation Exactly, league position and league is irrelevant in isolation. The man got the sack because Derbys objective was to reach the playoffs,he failed! If they thought much of him they would of at least tried to keep him and if he did go to Newcastle would of got some compensation How is he even in the running to manage a premier league club u can gloss it up how u like he isn't good enough!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. Because people would know less about him and the unknown offers a little excitement. But we do know about McClaren and his very mixed management record and the poor quality of football he has historically employed. Absolutely, I was excited for both Dalglish and Gullit. Look how those turned out. Regards to McClaren's football, did you watch much of Derby last season, or the season before? His time at Derby is two years in a career spanning 15 years. His other jobs have not been attacking at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. with a team that was expected to flirt with relegation Exactly, league position and league is irrelevant in isolation. The man got the sack because Derbys objective was to reach the playoffs,he failed! If they thought much of him they would of at least tried to keep him and if he did go to Newcastle would of got some compensation How is he even in the running to manage a premier league club u can gloss it up how u like he isn't good enough!! Who said he was good enough? It was the France bullshit that I have an issue with. Ultimately people would pick a mid-table french manager over someone who has actually won things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 It's their opinion pieces that are bullshit. People hand pick their stories to suit an agenda. But their 'ITK' reports are completely separate to why people hate the Chronicle, whether they're true or not. They lick the clubs' arse and people think Ryder is a total doylem, that's where it gets it's bad name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. with a team that was expected to flirt with relegation Exactly, league position and league is irrelevant in isolation. The man got the sack because Derbys objective was to reach the playoffs,he failed! If they thought much of him they would of at least tried to keep him and if he did go to Newcastle would of got some compensation How is he even in the running to manage a premier league club u can gloss it up how u like he isn't good enough!! Who said he was good enough? It was the France bullshit that I have an issue with. Ultimately people would pick a mid-table french manager over someone who has actually won things. Because people are smart enough to look beyond a managers record? We know what we're getting with McClaren and it's uninspiring, he isn't going to have us competing at the top end of the table and he isn't going to have us playing good football. I'm not saying I want Gourvennec as I know fuck all about him but I can see why people would prefer him to this boring wanker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. with a team that was expected to flirt with relegation Exactly, league position and league is irrelevant in isolation. The man got the sack because Derbys objective was to reach the playoffs,he failed! If they thought much of him they would of at least tried to keep him and if he did go to Newcastle would of got some compensation How is he even in the running to manage a premier league club u can gloss it up how u like he isn't good enough!! Who said he was good enough? It was the France bullshit that I have an issue with. Ultimately people would pick a mid-table french manager over someone who has actually won things. Because people are smart enough to look beyond a managers record? We know what we're getting with McClaren and it's uninspiring, he isn't going to have us competing at the top end of the table and he isn't going to have us playing good football. I'm not saying I want Gourvennec as I know fuck all about him but I can see why people would prefer him to this boring wanker. Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your shit excuse that "doesn't cut it". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 "a mid table french manager" Pochettino was a mid-table Spanish manager, I'd have him over McClaren too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 McClaren has failed far more times than he's achieved. Winning the Dutch league was his real success but he's not followed it up. With anything Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Yeah, as bad as Gullit and Dalglish were in the 90s there was excitement and a feeling we'd appointed the right man. Souness, Roeder, Pardew etc were just never going to cut it I'd take someone uninspiring who might actually be pretty good than someone who is exciting but ends up being s****. Sanchez Flores isn't any better than McClaren at all, anyone suggesting otherwise clearly just going by name and nationality. If McClaren was a French coach with an identical record there'd be far more support for him on here. If a French coach just finished 8th in the championship and got sacked, he would be booted back to France Didn't some on here want that Gourvennec? His side finished 10th didn't they. with a team that was expected to flirt with relegation Exactly, league position and league is irrelevant in isolation. The man got the sack because Derbys objective was to reach the playoffs,he failed! If they thought much of him they would of at least tried to keep him and if he did go to Newcastle would of got some compensation How is he even in the running to manage a premier league club u can gloss it up how u like he isn't good enough!! Who said he was good enough? It was the France bullshit that I have an issue with. Ultimately people would pick a mid-table french manager over someone who has actually won things. Because people are smart enough to look beyond a managers record? We know what we're getting with McClaren and it's uninspiring, he isn't going to have us competing at the top end of the table and he isn't going to have us playing good football. I'm not saying I want Gourvennec as I know f*** all about him but I can see why people would prefer him to this boring w*****. Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). You don't understand why people would choose the chance of good football over boring football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Winning the Dutch league with that club was a pretty massive achievement tbf. Also he was really honest about the achievement and said he added about 20% to what he found. Imagine how Pardew would have carried on... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your shit excuse that "doesn't cut it". Excuse? Excuse for what? I didn't want McClaren but I won't change history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your s*** excuse that "doesn't cut it". Excuse? Excuse for what? I didn't want McClaren but I won't change history. You are changing Gourvennec' history for fuck sake. He's not some shit French midtable manager, just you you can try and prove a point. You're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your s*** excuse that "doesn't cut it". Excuse? Excuse for what? I didn't want McClaren but I won't change history. You are changing Gourvennec' history for fuck sake. He's not some shit French midtable manager, just you you can try and prove a point. You're wrong. Has he finished above midtable in France? Has he won anything? Being a failure somewhere doesn't discount other achievements. I will say it again, nothing he has done compares to McClaren's European final or Dutch league win, no matter how you dress it up. Allardyce got Bolton into the premiership and to a sixth place finish iirc, should we have him back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 So hang on a minute, because I'm just going off this thread, but are you trying to claim a bloke who (in 3 seasons?) has gotten a club promoted twice and then led them to a solid 8th place finish on the back of those promotions as purely 'a mid-table manager' and discrediting everything he's done in those years because he 'hasn't won anything'? If so then that seems incredibly spiteful like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your s*** excuse that "doesn't cut it". Excuse? Excuse for what? I didn't want McClaren but I won't change history. You are changing Gourvennec' history for f*** sake. He's not some s*** French midtable manager, just you you can try and prove a point. You're wrong. Has he finished above midtable in France? Has he won anything? Being a failure somewhere doesn't discount other achievements. I will say it again, nothing he has done compares to McClaren's European final or Dutch league win, no matter how you dress it up. Allardyce got Bolton into the premiership and to a sixth place finish iirc, should we have him back? Since 2010 he has 2 promotions and qualified for Europa with Guingamp. He also managed to accidently win the Coupe de France in 2014. You are talking absolute shit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Coupe_de_France_Final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Hey, I'm sure the bloke got potential. I'm being over critical to prove a point. His job gets a lot harder now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Just sick of old Englishmen.... Anyone under 60 would be awesome. The less English the better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Hey, I'm sure the bloke got potential. I'm being over critical to prove a point. His job gets a lot harder now. So you gonna admit you were wrong then? Since he has a trophy which is all your McClaren argument is based on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Just sick of old Englishmen.... Anyone under 60 would be awesome. The less English the better. McClaren is 54 and probably has some sort of Scottish ancestry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted June 6, 2015 Share Posted June 6, 2015 Personally couldn't care less if he's boring. I can't see why someone would want a mid table french manager over someone who's done something in his career. "Yeah but he's boring and derby". Doesn't cut it. I wouldn't have gone for McClaren but he's the best manager we have hired since Bobby (Keegan aside). Steve McClaren would not have got Gunigamp 2 promotions and then an 8th place finish which resulted in Europa league qualification though. Gourvennec did that. With a pretty average team. Why? Because he's got different approaches, he has new ideas and tactics, because he's better than Steve McClaren. Actually it's your s*** excuse that "doesn't cut it". Excuse? Excuse for what? I didn't want McClaren but I won't change history. You are changing Gourvennec' history for f*** sake. He's not some s*** French midtable manager, just you you can try and prove a point. You're wrong. Has he finished above midtable in France? Has he won anything? Being a failure somewhere doesn't discount other achievements. I will say it again, nothing he has done compares to McClaren's European final or Dutch league win, no matter how you dress it up. Allardyce got Bolton into the premiership and to a sixth place finish iirc, should we have him back? Since 2010 he has 2 promotions and qualified for Europa with Guingamp. He also managed to accidently win the Coupe de France in 2014. You are talking absolute shit. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Coupe_de_France_Final You just don't get it. How can you point to his record, yet ignore McClaren's better achievements? For the last time McClaren's Dutch league win trumps anything he has done. Yet you HATE McClaren and like Gourvennec? Doesn't add up. McClaren's a decent manager, Gourvennec seems to be going places too but he's done nothing to warrant hysteria. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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