geordiedean Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The thing that is concerning to me is that unless we take 4-6 points from the Watford and West Ham games we are going to be sitting rock bottom after 8 games that's nearly a quarter of the season gone and we're playing catchup completely it's not a good scenario. The longer it goes without a win as the confidence we are trying to build. You can make any excuse you want but to be bottom of the league after 8 games with possibly less than 5 points is very very worrying, you just don't come back from such horrendous starts. We have taken 11 points in 2015 FFs. It's imperative we get at least 1 win from the hammers or hornets Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 2nd worst defensive record in the league last season and people are complaining that we're looking "too defensive" now. Words fail me. Lets go back to 5-0 batterings on a weekly basis. This. Everyone was crying out for us to sort out the defence during the whole summer - we have finally done that. And now we're awful because we've not scored 20 goals in our opening four games. So would you play Colback and Anita easy question? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The thing that is concerning to me is that unless we take 4-6 points from the Watford and West Ham games we are going to be sitting rock bottom after 8 games that's nearly a quarter of the season gone and we're playing catchup completely it's not a good scenario. The longer it goes without a win as the confidence we are trying to build. You can make any excuse you want but to be bottom of the league after 8 games with possibly less than 5 points is very very worrying, you just don't come back from such horrendous starts. We have taken 11 points in 2015 FFs. It's imperative we get at least 1 win from the hammers or hornets We should beat both really or at least 4 points out of the two. West Ham had two good wins but looked poor in the other two games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 2nd worst defensive record in the league last season and people are complaining that we're looking "too defensive" now. Words fail me. Lets go back to 5-0 batterings on a weekly basis. This. Everyone was crying out for us to sort out the defence during the whole summer - we have finally done that. And now we're awful because we've not scored 20 goals in our opening four games. So would you play Colback and Anita easy question? Possibly not, but I can understand why he is playing both of them. There is never going to be a situation where every supporter agrees with the starting 11, no matter who he picks. Colback and Anita both played excellently on Saturday btw, as they did against Man Utd - had we had gone more attacking in both of those games, we'd probably have been stuffed 4-0 in both games. We were a toenail away from a victory at Man Utd and unlucky on Saturday to have the game ruined inside 16 minutes - neither of those were effected by Colback and Anita. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The thing that is concerning to me is that unless we take 4-6 points from the Watford and West Ham games we are going to be sitting rock bottom after 8 games that's nearly a quarter of the season gone and we're playing catchup completely it's not a good scenario. The longer it goes without a win as the confidence we are trying to build. You can make any excuse you want but to be bottom of the league after 8 games with possibly less than 5 points is very very worrying, you just don't come back from such horrendous starts. We have taken 11 points in 2015 FFs. It's imperative we get at least 1 win from the hammers or hornets It's concerning but how many points did we have under Pardew last season after the first 8 games? Can't have been much more than 5 and a quick run of wins had us into 5th man. No reason we couldn't win 6-8 games to the halfway point assuming we manage to turn the tide. I'm not expecting a thing at WHU btw, beat Watford, get reamed by Citeh and Chelsea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I fail to see why you cannot be disappointed with how reserved we've been just because we were shipping goals for fun last season like We were awful last season, the worst I've ever seen us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The thing that is concerning to me is that unless we take 4-6 points from the Watford and West Ham games we are going to be sitting rock bottom after 8 games that's nearly a quarter of the season gone and we're playing catchup completely it's not a good scenario. The longer it goes without a win as the confidence we are trying to build. You can make any excuse you want but to be bottom of the league after 8 games with possibly less than 5 points is very very worrying, you just don't come back from such horrendous starts. We have taken 11 points in 2015 FFs. It's imperative we get at least 1 win from the hammers or hornets It's concerning but how many points did we have under Pardew last season after the first 8 games? Can't have been much more than 5 and a quick run of wins had us into 5th man. No reason we couldn't win 6-8 games to the halfway point assuming we manage to turn the tide. I'm not expecting a thing at WHU btw, beat Watford, get reamed by Citeh and Chelsea. 8 games in we had 7 points and arguable a much easier start to the season of: Man City (h), Aston Villa (a), Crystal Palace (h), Southampton (a), Hull (h), Stoke (a), Swansea (a), Leicester (h). Leicester being the start of the run of wins. We have West Ham (a) and Watford (h) next two games - easily acceptable to class both of them as winnable. Chelsea (h) is nothing to fear, we play well against them for some reason and they are down on their knees atm. Man City away, will be difficult. After that, we have a run of 11 games where the hardest fixtures are Liverpool (h) and Tottenham (a) - but all easily winnable games. We've had probably one of the hardest starts to the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm pretty positive tbh, think it'll come "good" by October if our confidence isn't shattered by then after our nightmare run of fixtures. Very impressed with the new signings so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 The thing that is concerning to me is that unless we take 4-6 points from the Watford and West Ham games we are going to be sitting rock bottom after 8 games that's nearly a quarter of the season gone and we're playing catchup completely it's not a good scenario. The longer it goes without a win as the confidence we are trying to build. You can make any excuse you want but to be bottom of the league after 8 games with possibly less than 5 points is very very worrying, you just don't come back from such horrendous starts. We have taken 11 points in 2015 FFs. It's imperative we get at least 1 win from the hammers or hornets It's concerning but how many points did we have under Pardew last season after the first 8 games? Can't have been much more than 5 and a quick run of wins had us into 5th man. No reason we couldn't win 6-8 games to the halfway point assuming we manage to turn the tide. I'm not expecting a thing at WHU btw, beat Watford, get reamed by Citeh and Chelsea. 8 games in we had 7 points and arguable a much easier start to the season of: Man City (h), Aston Villa (a), Crystal Palace (h), Southampton (a), Hull (h), Stoke (a), Swansea (a), Leicester (h). Leicester being the start of the run of wins. We have West Ham (a) and Watford (h) next two games - easily acceptable to class both of them as winnable. Chelsea (h) is nothing to fear, we play well against them for some reason and they are down on their knees atm. Man City away, will be difficult. After that, we have a run of 11 games where the hardest fixtures are Liverpool (h) and Tottenham (a) - but all easily winnable games. We've had probably one of the hardest starts to the season. aye, we need to win one of west ham or watford and hope chelsea's form is still balls when we meet them, but i suspect it won't be 5 points from a difficult start...looking at swansea just now you'd have to say southampton was our missed opportunity for more points really from the 'easier' fixtures so far i think west ham will beat us comfortably btw, like swansea they've started in good form Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 2nd worst defensive record in the league last season and people are complaining that we're looking "too defensive" now. Words fail me. Lets go back to 5-0 batterings on a weekly basis. This. Everyone was crying out for us to sort out the defence during the whole summer - we have finally done that. And now we're awful because we've not scored 20 goals in our opening four games. So would you play Colback and Anita easy question? Possibly not, but I can understand why he is playing both of them. There is never going to be a situation where every supporter agrees with the starting 11, no matter who he picks. Colback and Anita both played excellently on Saturday btw, as they did against Man Utd - had we had gone more attacking in both of those games, we'd probably have been stuffed 4-0 in both games. We were a toenail away from a victory at Man Utd and unlucky on Saturday to have the game ruined inside 16 minutes - neither of those were effected by Colback and Anita. You need to score to win games and yes I can understand being down to 10 men and even away from home against the top teams you may have to play like that but ffs man start the game like you want to win the game especially at home - if you allow teams like Arsenal to dominate you from the off they will and that's still not an excuse for playing them both against Swansea and Southampton. And if you think Colback had a good against Man Utd then you really are taking the p*ss as he was shocking. Also have a look at the number of times both give the ball away against Man Utd and Arsenal and you will be surprised at how regular they give possession back to the opposition. Lets also be serious here we are not talking about top quality players either, we are talking about bang average players who cannot do anything more than pass the ball 10 - 15 yards usually in a backwards and sideways direction. These are the same two players who played quite a few games together last season and were involved in some of our worst performances i.e. Man City away, Southampton away, Man Utd away, Swansea home, Tottenham home when a total of 18 goals were shipped in. If Pardew was still here and playing those two together he would be getting absolutely slaughtered on here and rightly so. It pisses me off when people argue about that it's wrong to call McClaren and then admit they wouldn't play these two together either - total bollocks and you can argue all you want but having these two in the team at the same time is a total detriment to the team and inexcusable. If you play average players then your not going to win many matches and that's a fact! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 In case anyone is worried about all the cards, we're actually only midtable when it comes to fouls committed as a team. The cards seem to be more of an individual thing than the way we are set up to play. Top of the league in fouls committed are Crystal Palace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I wouldn't be too worried about the cards especially because the yellows picked up on Saturday have doubled our Premier League tally and they were almost all absolutely grotesque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm willing to give SMC a try. But when he decided to defend the 0-0 at OT with half an hour to go it felt like what I had always expected. We really sat back and didn't offer up any threat for that whole half. Invited Man U to try and score and had they scored we could have had no complaints. That Thauvin chance was a true an anamoly. Swansea first half was also very worrying. I expect us to start picking up results soon though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 I'm willing to give SMC a try. But when he decided to defend the 0-0 at OT with half an hour to go it felt like what I had always expected. We really sat back and didn't offer up any threat for that whole half. Invited Man U to try and score and had they scored we could have had no complaints. That Thauvin chance was a true an anamoly. Swansea first half was also very worrying. I expect us to start picking up results soon though. Did you prefer getting beat by 3+ goals to nil under Super Al? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Odd question that like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Odd question that like. I think he's alluding that if we had attacked Man U more in the last 30 minutes we'd probably have conceded 3+ goals as they would have enjoyed raping us on the counter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Aye, that definitely would have happened like. EDIT: Anyway I'm not going to write him off but I massively disagree with this justification for him not going for it in games, and even (against Man Utd) just surrendering possession and sitting deep. It's hard to judge him on the Arsenal game even though they were all over us before the card, the squad selection was closer to what most people would want and we may have grew into the game, who knows. Obertan out was an obvious positive and his subs were fine if a little late. I've got no idea what the Swansea game even was, and we were OK against Southampton. 2 points though, 2 goals, no wins. In hindsight the decision to refrain from going on the offensive hasn't really worked and the major positive is that we're not getting tanked 4-0 every week. I think he'll get better and I actually look forward to our games now, but I also think we've pretty much just wasted 4 by treating the opposition with too much respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Man U were roasting us for the first 20 mins before we dropped back and closed down the space. Obviously we don't want to be playing defensive football ideally, but when you are at Old Trafford with a side which is still finding it's feet, then you do what it takes to stay in the game. If we're still doing that in month's time against teams like Watford or Leicester then we should definitely be worried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Odd question that like. I think he's alluding that if we had attacked Man U more in the last 30 minutes we'd probably have conceded 3+ goals as they would have enjoyed raping us on the counter. Pardew used to "keep it tight", then go and get us hammered. At one or two nil down, he would then tell people to get forward, and before you know it, 3+ goals to nil. But we tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Aye, that definitely would have happened like. EDIT: Anyway I'm not going to write him off but I massively disagree with this justification for him not going for it in games, and even (against Man Utd) just surrendering possession and sitting deep. It's hard to judge him on the Arsenal game even though they were all over us before the card, the squad selection was closer to what most people would want and we may have grew into the game, who knows. Obertan out was an obvious positive and his subs were fine if a little late. I've got no idea what the Swansea game even was, and we were OK against Southampton. 2 points though, 2 goals, no wins. In hindsight the decision to refrain from going on the offensive hasn't really worked and the major positive is that we're not getting tanked 4-0 every week. I think he'll get better and I actually look forward to our games now, but I also think we've pretty much just wasted 4 by treating the opposition with too much respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Man U were roasting us for the first 20 mins before we dropped back and closed down the space. Obviously we don't want to be playing defensive football ideally, but when you are at Old Trafford with a side which is still finding it's feet, then you do what it takes to stay in the game. If we're still doing that in month's time against teams like Watford or Leicester then we should definitely be worried. Any team will get the better with Coback and Anita in the team and that's your centre hub - change that and the whole team will benefit in every way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Man U were roasting us for the first 20 mins before we dropped back and closed down the space. Obviously we don't want to be playing defensive football ideally, but when you are at Old Trafford with a side which is still finding it's feet, then you do what it takes to stay in the game. If we're still doing that in month's time against teams like Watford or Leicester then we should definitely be worried. Like West Ham did at The Emirates and Anfield? As for Pardew, we weren't battered consistently because he tried to go on the offensive after keeping it tight, we were battered because we had absolutely no direction, we were clueless on every part of the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Man U were roasting us for the first 20 mins before we dropped back and closed down the space. Obviously we don't want to be playing defensive football ideally, but when you are at Old Trafford with a side which is still finding it's feet, then you do what it takes to stay in the game. If we're still doing that in month's time against teams like Watford or Leicester then we should definitely be worried. Any team will get the better with Coback and Anita in the team and that's your centre hub - change that and the whole team will benefit in every way Not going to disagree with you on that, I've said for a long time I don't see the need for two deep sitting midfielders, with those two in, the only way to play is to defend deep. That said, I don't think we had the defence to handle a more open game against Man U on the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 West Ham weren't coming off the back of a season as bad as ours and have been match-fit for a month more than everyone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Man U were roasting us for the first 20 mins before we dropped back and closed down the space. Obviously we don't want to be playing defensive football ideally, but when you are at Old Trafford with a side which is still finding it's feet, then you do what it takes to stay in the game. If we're still doing that in month's time against teams like Watford or Leicester then we should definitely be worried. Like West Ham did at The Emirates and Anfield? As for Pardew, we weren't battered consistently because he tried to go on the offensive after keeping it tight, we were battered because we had absolutely no direction, we were clueless on every part of the pitch. Did West Ham go on the attack at the Emirates and Anfield? I thought the idea was to park the bus against Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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