Steve McClaren

[Dave]

His style is clearly more about retaining possession and trying to play it across the floor like, we did that well in the first half. Today was the 2nd time this season we've actively played for a point though.

 

I thought there was a clear switch to playing more long balls and crosses into the centre forward today. Not that I'm complaining, we need results.

[Gallowgate Toon]

His style is clearly more about retaining possession and trying to play it across the floor like, we did that well in the first half. Today was the 2nd time this season we've actively played for a point though.

 

I thought there was a clear switch to playing more long balls and crosses into the centre forward today. Not that I'm complaining, we need results.

 

We mixed it up much better. Passing on the deck was crisper too, it had more conviction.

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

The big help is that Coloccini is partnered with someone else who doesn't instantly shit himself when he has the ball at his feet.

 

We'll no doubt revert to type when either he or Mbemba picks up an injury.

[Jayson]

We sat back 2nd half after a rest instantly, pretty sure it was by instruction rather than being worn out.

 

We were lucky they didnt make the most of a couple chances due to that. Remy ran offside for one, Pedro skied a clear chance another. Both times we just left Fabregas, one of the best passers in the league in yards of space. Its complete common sense stuff.

[lovejoy]

Got it right today. Great performance.

[sempuki]

Want him to do well but it will be a surprise if we are not at least a few adrift after 10 games. Will gain a lot if goodwill if we can beat the mackems.

[Hanshithispantz]

I cannot remember us going long much at all in the first half tbh, we kept the ball better than Chelsea imo, 2nd half we just gave them it for some reason.

[TRon]

Team was knackered so we sagged back. Makes you wonder what they're doing for fitness training, too many were gassed after an hour or so.

 

I would disagree with that tbh. We scored just before half time, and as soon as we came out for the second half we dropped back and looked like we were going to protect the lead first and hope to counter on the break. Even though it worked perfectly in that we doubled our lead, in the end we ended up giving them so much of the ball that it allowed them to apply pretty much non-stop pressure.

 

Having watched Spurs last 3 games on telly, the contrast with Pochettino is pretty obvious. They seem to play the same way for 90 mins without getting knackered.

[Lenny]

Team was knackered so we sagged back. Makes you wonder what they're doing for fitness training, too many were gassed after an hour or so.

 

I would disagree with that tbh. We scored just before half time, and as soon as we came out for the second half we dropped back and looked like we were going to protect the lead first and hope to counter on the break. Even though it worked perfectly in that we doubled our lead, in the end we ended up giving them so much of the ball that it allowed them to apply pretty much non-stop pressure.

 

Having watched Spurs last 3 games on telly, the contrast with Pochettino is pretty obvious. They seem to play the same way for 90 mins without getting knackered.

 

Should be pointed out that it took Pochettino most of last season to get it right, mind.

[Hanshithispantz]

Yeah I though the 2nd half was a clear change of direction, we rarely saw the ball and when we did we just hoofed the cunt back at them.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Team was knackered so we sagged back. Makes you wonder what they're doing for fitness training, too many were gassed after an hour or so.

 

I would disagree with that tbh. We scored just before half time, and as soon as we came out for the second half we dropped back and looked like we were going to protect the lead first and hope to counter on the break. Even though it worked perfectly in that we doubled our lead, in the end we ended up giving them so much of the ball that it allowed them to apply pretty much non-stop pressure.

 

Having watched Spurs last 3 games on telly, the contrast with Pochettino is pretty obvious. They seem to play the same way for 90 mins without getting knackered.

 

I meant after an hour. We clearly didn't want to concede in the first few minutes of the half, because we've been bad for that this season, so tried to play in the counter for a bit. Chelsea sort of built up to the pressure and tired us out. Confidence will play a part too. The Ramires sub was brilliant, Mourinho could see we were too tired to cover there.

[TRon]

Team was knackered so we sagged back. Makes you wonder what they're doing for fitness training, too many were gassed after an hour or so.

 

I would disagree with that tbh. We scored just before half time, and as soon as we came out for the second half we dropped back and looked like we were going to protect the lead first and hope to counter on the break. Even though it worked perfectly in that we doubled our lead, in the end we ended up giving them so much of the ball that it allowed them to apply pretty much non-stop pressure.

 

Having watched Spurs last 3 games on telly, the contrast with Pochettino is pretty obvious. They seem to play the same way for 90 mins without getting knackered.

 

Should be pointed out that it took Pochettino most of last season to get it right, mind.

True, I just don't think he's the type of manager who would change his game plan from what was working in the first half because we had taken the lead.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Seen a lot of people suggest we played 4-4-2 but it still looked a 4-2-3-1, to me. We just had way more punch going forward through the middle with Perez and Mitro being so direct.

[Guest ElCid]

Though it was a much improved performance, this was a 'free match' in that we were expected to lose. And despite playing really well, we still couldn't win. Even Pardew was able to motivate the players against these at SJP, so it's not exactly unprecedented.

 

I sincerely hope the coaching staff can use the positives from this game to help us win the matches against the lesser teams to come, because s*** teams that get relegated often put in surprisingly good performances against the leading clubs and the 'if we can just play like that every week...' rhetoric never comes to fruition.

 

We're still in big trouble IMO.

 

Game of two half's for me very good in the first, playing exactly how you should against the better teas but second we played exactly how you shouldn't and allowed Chelsea onto us and too much space. We need a manager who will when winning actually continue to try and win the match and not just hold on if we do actually score first - we had nearly five year of it under Pardew and it certainly won't change under this bloke either.

 

Why won't it change under "this bloke"? I've heard more to the contrary from people that have seen his teams play over the last few years.

 

Have you seen his teams play over the years are you kidding me he is one of the most negative managers going lol

 

I call bullshit. My best mate is a Derby fan, and whilst McClaren may not have achieved what was expected of them, he's been anything but negative.

 

Biggest shit I've read on here and that's saying something - I don't need an alleged best mate to tell me what I can see with my own eyes.

[Gallowgate Toon]

Derby played attacking football, don't really see the need to deny that. So did his Twente team.

[Lenny]

Though it was a much improved performance, this was a 'free match' in that we were expected to lose. And despite playing really well, we still couldn't win. Even Pardew was able to motivate the players against these at SJP, so it's not exactly unprecedented.

 

I sincerely hope the coaching staff can use the positives from this game to help us win the matches against the lesser teams to come, because s*** teams that get relegated often put in surprisingly good performances against the leading clubs and the 'if we can just play like that every week...' rhetoric never comes to fruition.

 

We're still in big trouble IMO.

 

Game of two half's for me very good in the first, playing exactly how you should against the better teas but second we played exactly how you shouldn't and allowed Chelsea onto us and too much space. We need a manager who will when winning actually continue to try and win the match and not just hold on if we do actually score first - we had nearly five year of it under Pardew and it certainly won't change under this bloke either.

 

Why won't it change under "this bloke"? I've heard more to the contrary from people that have seen his teams play over the last few years.

 

Have you seen his teams play over the years are you kidding me he is one of the most negative managers going lol

 

I call bullshit. My best mate is a Derby fan, and whilst McClaren may not have achieved what was expected of them, he's been anything but negative.

 

Biggest shit I've read on here and that's saying something - I don't need an alleged best mate to tell me what I can see with my own eyes.

 

Other than that it being clear you've made your mind up about McClaren based on an initial desire to not like him, the use of 'alleged' really cracked me up. What a fucking fraud I am - Lenny is isn't even my real name.

[Guest ElCid]

Though it was a much improved performance, this was a 'free match' in that we were expected to lose. And despite playing really well, we still couldn't win. Even Pardew was able to motivate the players against these at SJP, so it's not exactly unprecedented.

 

I sincerely hope the coaching staff can use the positives from this game to help us win the matches against the lesser teams to come, because s*** teams that get relegated often put in surprisingly good performances against the leading clubs and the 'if we can just play like that every week...' rhetoric never comes to fruition.

 

We're still in big trouble IMO.

 

Game of two half's for me very good in the first, playing exactly how you should against the better teas but second we played exactly how you shouldn't and allowed Chelsea onto us and too much space. We need a manager who will when winning actually continue to try and win the match and not just hold on if we do actually score first - we had nearly five year of it under Pardew and it certainly won't change under this bloke either.

 

Why won't it change under "this bloke"? I've heard more to the contrary from people that have seen his teams play over the last few years.

 

Have you seen his teams play over the years are you kidding me he is one of the most negative managers going lol

 

I call bullshit. My best mate is a Derby fan, and whilst McClaren may not have achieved what was expected of them, he's been anything but negative.

 

Biggest s*** I've read on here and that's saying something - I don't need an alleged best mate to tell me what I can see with my own eyes.

 

Other than that it being clear you've made your mind up about McClaren based on an initial desire to not like him, the use of 'alleged' really cracked me up. What a f***ing fraud I am - Lenny is isn't even my real name.

 

Ask yourself why I made my mind up about McClaren it's not rocket science - the fact that you need a so called friend to try and establish a point makes you pretty sad when anyone watching could see over the years he has and always will be a negative manager. You carry on believing though.

[Gallowgate Toon]

His England and Boro teams, aside, which of his teams have played negative football, ElCid? He seems to have expanded how he likes teams to play since moving abroad.

[mrmojorisin75]

Seen a lot of people suggest we played 4-4-2 but it still looked a 4-2-3-1, to me. We just had way more punch going forward through the middle with Perez and Mitro being so direct.

Was just going to ask this and about how we played generally?

 

Anyone want to summarise?

[Stottie]

Derby played attacking football, don't really see the need to deny that. So did his Twente team.

 

Yeah, I don't know why people keep saying this. In the two seasons McClaren was there, Derby were second top scorers at home (94 in 46 games) and fifth top scorers away (75 in 46 games) in the top four divisions. There is no way that happens with a "negative" manager. It was their goals against column and bad luck in the playoff loss to QPR that stopped them getting promoted. In 2013-14, they were top scorers in the division and managed only 6 less than we did when we won the Championship. Their promotion push last season was also marked by a defensive collapse in the second half of the season.

 

Given our record last year, it might be more appropriate to question why a defensively hapless club hired a defensively suspect manager. Even McClaren's most famous moment, the wally with the brolly, was a 3-2 defeat. It wasn't the kind of 0-1 sit back and create nothing borefest we would later see from England under Capello.

[Stottie]

Getting back to yesterday's game but we were set up well. I thought Fabregas looked back to form and Chelsea were much better with Oscar last week against Arsenal, even before the sending off, but we handled them easily for the first 60 odd minutes. Once we tired, McClaren could have been a bit more proactive in trying to keep the ball at the other end, but I'll give him a pass given the shite we've had in the past four or five games. He has to build on this result though. I though Ayoze looked comfortable at #10 against Man U and it was a bad move not to keep him there against Arsenal and West Ham.

[Vinny Green Balls]

Though it was a much improved performance, this was a 'free match' in that we were expected to lose. And despite playing really well, we still couldn't win. Even Pardew was able to motivate the players against these at SJP, so it's not exactly unprecedented.

 

I sincerely hope the coaching staff can use the positives from this game to help us win the matches against the lesser teams to come, because s*** teams that get relegated often put in surprisingly good performances against the leading clubs and the 'if we can just play like that every week...' rhetoric never comes to fruition.

 

We're still in big trouble IMO.

 

Game of two half's for me very good in the first, playing exactly how you should against the better teas but second we played exactly how you shouldn't and allowed Chelsea onto us and too much space. We need a manager who will when winning actually continue to try and win the match and not just hold on if we do actually score first - we had nearly five year of it under Pardew and it certainly won't change under this bloke either.

 

Why won't it change under "this bloke"? I've heard more to the contrary from people that have seen his teams play over the last few years.

 

Have you seen his teams play over the years are you kidding me he is one of the most negative managers going lol

 

I call bullshit. My best mate is a Derby fan, and whilst McClaren may not have achieved what was expected of them, he's been anything but negative.

 

Biggest s*** I've read on here and that's saying something - I don't need an alleged best mate to tell me what I can see with my own eyes.

 

Other than that it being clear you've made your mind up about McClaren based on an initial desire to not like him, the use of 'alleged' really cracked me up. What a f***ing fraud I am - Lenny is isn't even my real name.

 

Ask yourself why I made my mind up about McClaren it's not rocket science - the fact that you need a so called friend to try and establish a point makes you pretty sad when anyone watching could see over the years he has and always will be a negative manager. You carry on believing though.

 

Anyone using so-called in such a manner is just asking to be outed as an utter nob.

[buzza]

We were playing a narrow 4411 system all game with overlapping fullbacks and one of jack or anita sitting when the fullbacks went forward. Ayoze had complete freedom of the pitch whilst attacking but dropped and defended really quickly when we lost the ball which leads people to think it was 4231.

Much more effective in this formation, the main contributing factor is that we had a number nine who could hold the bal up and play it to our oncoming players, mitro was immense in his battle against two defenders everytime he got the ball, he didn't lose many either.

[buzza]

Only negative for mclaren was that he brought his subs on too late, we needed freshening after 60 but he obviously didn't see that until we were well under the cosh. We just need that pressure on them when they brought the bak out, it was too easy for their defense to stroll into our half and pick their passes as Mitro and Ayoze were walking by then...

[54]

Though it was a much improved performance, this was a 'free match' in that we were expected to lose. And despite playing really well, we still couldn't win. Even Pardew was able to motivate the players against these at SJP, so it's not exactly unprecedented.

 

I sincerely hope the coaching staff can use the positives from this game to help us win the matches against the lesser teams to come, because s*** teams that get relegated often put in surprisingly good performances against the leading clubs and the 'if we can just play like that every week...' rhetoric never comes to fruition.

 

We're still in big trouble IMO.

 

Game of two half's for me very good in the first, playing exactly how you should against the better teas but second we played exactly how you shouldn't and allowed Chelsea onto us and too much space. We need a manager who will when winning actually continue to try and win the match and not just hold on if we do actually score first - we had nearly five year of it under Pardew and it certainly won't change under this bloke either.

 

Why won't it change under "this bloke"? I've heard more to the contrary from people that have seen his teams play over the last few years.

 

Have you seen his teams play over the years are you kidding me he is one of the most negative managers going lol

 

I call bullshit. My best mate is a Derby fan, and whilst McClaren may not have achieved what was expected of them, he's been anything but negative.

 

Biggest s*** I've read on here and that's saying something - I don't need an alleged best mate to tell me what I can see with my own eyes.

 

Other than that it being clear you've made your mind up about McClaren based on an initial desire to not like him, the use of 'alleged' really cracked me up. What a f***ing fraud I am - Lenny is isn't even my real name.

 

Ask yourself why I made my mind up about McClaren it's not rocket science - the fact that you need a so called friend to try and establish a point makes you pretty sad when anyone watching could see over the years he has and always will be a negative manager. You carry on believing though.

So you're telling me your opinion on "the bloke" is more valid then someone who watched Derby play for 2 years before he came here?

 

Oh and btw Lennys "so-called" friend is actually a very knowledgable football fan.