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in all honesty i thought taylor was carrying rozehnal for a few games earlier in the season, he was being left very overexposed and having to be both the aggressive player who can win headers and sweep up when rozehnal went on forays upfield.

 

Rozehnal going forward was down to Geremi, Smith and Butt not being up to the job of carrying the ball forward from midfield, that's for a different discussion though.

i agree with that baggio. roz gets a very sure touch on the ball more than most (no-one's perfect), he's not the most physical but he has a reading of the game that makes up for it.

 

his performance at citeh wasn't individual mistakes a la cacapa V pompey but trying to cover too much owing to woeful tactics.

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It was Taylor who got muscled off the ball against Villa, he tried to be clever and bring it under control around the half way line, Young took the ball off him and ran through but messed up his chance.

 

I haven't said any of the rest haven't struggled at time but Taylor has been by far the worst, the idiots on her who compare him to the likes of Ferdinand, Woodgate and Terry when they were 21 need to have a reality check, he won't even be as good as the likes of Lescott or Wes Brown either, the truth is he's an average player overrated by our fans because we haven't brought anyone else through decent in the past decade, the best thing we could do is sell him because he'll never be worth to us as a player what we could get for him, look what Villa paid for Davies and look what you can get abroad for that, in fact I think he'll be gone within the next 12 months.

 

As for pointing out Cacapa's back pass that was Given's fault for not coming to collect the ball, he stood on it ages waiting and when he did pass it back Given decided to come out and collect it, his reading of the game is first class though but if we are going to play a high line where he's going to get left in one on one situations then he's going to struggle because he doesn't have the legs for it.

 

We should be looking to play one of Faye/Taylor with one of Cacapa/Rozehnal as we need the height at the back, Faye is a far better player than Taylor though in every aspect of his game.

 

Don't remember the Taylor/Young thing tbh. I do remember Roz being muscled off by Young/Agbonlahor (forget which) in the same game, which kind of proves my point. They've all dropped clangers this season, you have to judge Taylor in context. You talk about holding a high line, but we were pinned into our own half against Reading and Cacapa struggled again. He's a decade older than Taylor and he's making the same mistakes, air-kicks, dwelling on the ball, muscled off by strikers, yet you'll forgive one and not the other. "By far the worst"? Come on, that's just sensationalism. I'm not overly impressed by any of them, but I think Faye is a decent defender and like most I'm happy enough with him. The jury is still out on Cacapa and Rozehnal, you can see they've got talent but you can see they have spent their careers playing abroad. Roz is a very continental defender who likes to get involved in play and can go wandering and it's no surprise that both Faye and Taylor found they had their work cut out when they played alongside him. Cacapa reads the game very well but it remains to be seen whether he can hack the end to end nature of the English game with high balls and big forwards every week. Make no mistake, other teams will target him.

 

I'm not on the back of the new boys, I just think Taylor should be judged in context. It looks to me like people are glossing over their errors to make Taylor stand out, to make it look like he's been "by far the worst". But that implies the others have been "much better" and I've seen little evidence of that. IMO Faye and Enrique have started well, the rest have all looked equally uncomfortable.

 

It's high time Sam sticks with his favoured 4 (he must have an idea by now) and give them a run of games together. I think most of us will agree that Beye, Faye and Enrique should be starting every week.

 

Taylor has been easily the worst of our centre backs this season, if you want to think that's sensationalism then fine but I prefer to judge on what I see and I wouldn't trust Taylor at the back against any half decent striker, Cacapa is clearly a stop gap signing and has only been brought in because the players Allardyce wanted wouldn't come here for one reason or another, Rozenhal on the other hand looks a better defender who will take time to get used to the pace and physical side of the Premiership, this isn't glossing over his mistakes it's understanding that few players come here and adapt straight away.

 

As Wullie said Taylor has been a regular in the Premiership for a few years now and hasn't improved at all, do people really have any hope of him being a regular at the back for us? As a defender he's on par with Michael Dawson at Spurs and most of the board slaughter him every chance they get.

 

You're providing reasons/excuses for Roz being poor but suggest that Taylor's performances are purely down to a lack of ability. It's not a consistent or fair way of comparing two players playing in the same team. You talk about Taylor's experience yet you know that our defence has been neglected the entire time Taylor has been here and that most centre halves are definitely not the finished article at the age of 21. I think your criticism is a bit over the top but that's just my opinion.

 

Some people would say that a young defender who is in and out the side and shuffled between CB and RB should not be singled out the way you've done ("by far the worst", "easily the worst" etc) when highly experienced players up to 10 years his senior are making exactly the same mistakes. You can't make excuses for one then slam the other, it makes it look like you have an agenda. I know you think they should be cut some slack because they've come from abroad and I agree, but there are other factors for why they have all struggled.

 

I think Taylor's been shaky this season, but when I'm seeing highly experienced players suffering in the same circumstances then I'm not going to single him out. Like johnnypd I thought Taylor was carrying Rozehnal for a while, just as Faye carried Rozehnal through the mackem game. I don't think we'll see any consistency at the back until the same back four are given time to gel as a unit. Roz and Taylor were pulled off after a bad game and haven't been seen together since, Beye and Enrique have been f*cked about while Cacapa was hauled off after 15 minutes. Talk about showing faith in your players. The bizarre rotation and negative tactics have made it tough on the defenders this season so I can cut them all a bit of slack, I expect you do too but for some reason you exclude Taylor from that.

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Taylor is by far our worst central defender. Why is this even being debated? Has absolutely no composure. His performance against Kenwyne Jones after he was moved into the middle to replace Faye was very very disturbing. I just can't believe he has made no progress at all as a player since he got into the side, but this is indeed the case.

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If you buy a ticket, say for instance for the Arsenal game, and it snows and is called off an hour before kick-off (therefore none of the match being played), is your ticket still valid for the re-date?

 

Only if you live in Newcastle.

 

Sorry mate.

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If you buy a ticket, say for instance for the Arsenal game, and it snows and is called off an hour before kick-off (therefore none of the match being played), is your ticket still valid for the re-date?

 

No.

 

I once went over to watch Newcastle vs Southampton for my birthday and it was called off about 45 minutes before kick off. :tickedoff:

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If you buy a ticket, say for instance for the Arsenal game, and it snows and is called off an hour before kick-off (therefore none of the match being played), is your ticket still valid for the re-date?

 

No.

 

I once went over to watch Newcastle vs Southampton for my birthday and it was called off about 45 minutes before kick off. :tickedoff:

 

I'm pretty sure it is still valid.

 

Check the back of the ticket.

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Better not bloody snow this weekend!

 

May just level the playing field a little if it comes down like...

 

[/tinhat]

 

Arguably, the heavy rain did just that in the same fixture last year.

 

The heavy rain that contributed to their goal? ;)

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Better not bloody snow this weekend!

 

May just level the playing field a little if it comes down like...

 

[/tinhat]

 

Arguably, the heavy rain did just that in the same fixture last year.

 

The heavy rain that contributed to their goal? ;)

 

Sure, why not. Maybe Taylor's dive seemed believable to the ref given the conditions, who knows. I enjoyed Reina and Agger (I think) colliding more than anything tbh. Sweeper keeper :lol:

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