Shearer or similar as manager

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Much has been written over time about how we had to pay £15m to bring Shearer home after letting him slip through our youth net, similarly we missed out on Carrick (and would have had to pay upwards of £5m to bring him from West Ham).

 

Looking forward it is possible that someone like Shearer or Speed will take the managers job at St James', my money would be on Shearer being our next boss.

 

Now, whenever this gets mentioned there are always cries of 'let him get experience elsewhere then bring him in', but how much is that going to cost? Bruce has just joined Wigan for £3million, and didn't we pay almost £2m for Souness? I think that we are going to see manager transfer fees steadily increase over the next few years and soon top managers will be going for amounts north of £10m.

 

Should we therefore be looking to bring in a recently retired player with aspirations of management and let them cut their teeth on the juniors and then reserves before taking over the hotseat?

 

For me the 2 key attributes of a manager is to select the best coaching and scouting network and then the ability to see how a game is progressing and change things during the 90 minutes. A smart boss hires specialists to mask his weaknesses and doesn't try to do it all. Both of my key atributes can be taught, and should be taught away from the spotlight where mistakes can be made.

 

Bit of a random ramble, probably doesn't make sense!

 

But any thoughts? Should we try to develop managers internally or accept that we will have to pay big bucks for them and rely on other teams to brign the talen through?

[Benwell Lad]

Shearer will probably make a top manager, but without a track record it would be a risky appointment for anyone to make.

 

I do not think the Shearer for England stories are quite as crazy as they first sound. He probably doesn't want or need the job, but if he did show interest I think the FA would consider it very carefully, thinking along similar lines to when the DfB appointed Klinsmann as national team coach.

[Parky]

Wouldn't want him here before he managed somewhere else and he would make a terrible England manager if he did it now.

[Northern Monkey]

Wouldn't want him here before he managed somewhere else and he would make a terrible England manager if he did it now.

 

This.

 

Being a good footballer doesn't make you a good football manager, its a whole different skill set, same as in many walks of life.

 

Let him prove himself and learn those skills first, then bring him to Newcastle. If that costs a bit of money, so be it. Better pay a few quid for a good manager than pay a LOT more overall if an untested manager turns out shit.

[Dave]

Wouldn't want him here before he managed somewhere else and he would make a terrible England manager if he did it now.

 

This.

 

Being a good footballer doesn't make you a good football manager, its a whole different skill set, same as in many walks of life.

 

Let him prove himself and learn those skills first, then bring him to Newcastle. If that costs a bit of money, so be it. Better pay a few quid for a good manager than pay a LOT more overall if an untested manager turns out shit.

 

Spot on.

[Guest teepee]

3m is nothing tbh - a good manager for 3m is worth much more than most player at much much higher prices than that!

[Cronky]

I suspect that, when it comes to management, Shearer would like to come in at the top, or not at all. He wants to spend time with his family and he's wary of the demands that management can make on him, which are particularly harsh at the lower rungs, where you can't delegate so much.

 

Alan Hansen has been touting him for the England job, and that wouldn't have happened without Shearer's consent. That's clearly a job that he fancies.

[Geordie Boot Boy]

I suspect that, when it comes to management, Shearer would like to come in at the top, or not at all. He wants to spend time with his family and he's wary of the demands that management can make on him, which are particularly harsh at the lower rungs, where you can't delegate so much.

 

Alan Hansen has been touting him for the England job, and that wouldn't have happened without Shearer's consent. That's clearly a job that he fancies.

 

You no doubt hate the idea of Shearer as manager though, right?

[James]

I can easily envisage either Shearer or Stuart Pearce becoming an interim manager until the end of Euro 2008.

 

In such an instance, I can imagine a Roeder like situation where the FA Committee kneejerk and appoint Shearer/Pearce on the back of some good results.

 

This good Roeder spell may also be the best case for Shearer, as it is clear that he pulled a lot of the strings during Roeder's caretakership.

[Guest DazzaNufc1892]

i said when mclaren was appointed if not a foreigner coming in, then should be shearer and wright with robson behind them

[Cronky]

I suspect that, when it comes to management, Shearer would like to come in at the top, or not at all. He wants to spend time with his family and he's wary of the demands that management can make on him, which are particularly harsh at the lower rungs, where you can't delegate so much.

 

Alan Hansen has been touting him for the England job, and that wouldn't have happened without Shearer's consent. That's clearly a job that he fancies.

 

You no doubt hate the idea of Shearer as manager though, right?

 

I think Shearer has all the qualities of a good manager, except the desire.

[Keefaz]

I think he'd do it, tbh. Ian Wright was asked about it yesterday and he was pretty cagey.

[fredbob]

I dunno...i think shearer is gonna be a poor manager to be honest, and i'm obvioulsy basing this on very little like everyone else, but i just dont think he has the intensity or drive to want to have to think about football 24hours a day. I just dont see him being capable of being able to thouroughly prepare a side to the extent that Mourihno, Wenger or Fergie. These are top class, managers who are capable and willing to obsess about football to the tiniest degree and its that obsession which has proven to be successful for them and there team. Sure shearer has the passion in abundance, but does he have the intensity to be able to dominate a team and get them playing the ways he wants them to.

 

I dont think so, am a great believer in the that top players dont make top managers and that is, in my opinion because they play by instinct, they spend there entire career playing by those instincts and when it comes to top class managers, instinct doesnt cut it at all. Being respectful as i possibly can be, i think you need a superior level of intelligence to be a top class manager. Respectively speaking, shearer has never struck me as being overly sharp minded.

 

*puts tin hat on*

[SEMTEX]

Mark Hughes is doing alright for himself...

 

started at a nation, moved onto a club... pretty damn instinctive/good in his day!

[Toon Amy]

Brazil's Dunga. Won the Copa America in his first year as Coach. No previous experience except as a player.

 

+ Van Basten + Klinsmann + Croatia's Bilic. All ex players with no coaching experience who have done well as National manager.

 

I could easily see Shearer succeeding. He has the right mentality for it. He would just need to get the right staff alongside. Thats important.

 

As for managing Newcastle I would rather he worked up as a coach, because of the transfers, but I see no reason to doubt he is capable of succeeding at whatever he does.

[Thespence]

If only Keegan had of done a few years at Mansfield before the taking the Newcastle job we may of won the league.

 

I would like Al to quit MOTD & get away from football so when he does come back he wont have preconceived ideas on players or have the views of x-Liverpool players ringing around inside his head.

[johnnypd]

Bilic coached the croation under21s for a number of years, so the national side wasn't his first role.

[fredbob]

Are we talking about international managers? Because if we are, then i can quite easily see why Shearer would be successful. But comparing club managers to international managers is pretty pointless, they are completely different ball games. There arent too many top class footballers who have transferred to club management well, i can only really think of Rijkaard of recent years whose done anything substantial on the club arena. Mark Hughes is another manager doing well so far, i dont doubt that he will bea success for the fututre either, my point is is that there is always exceptions to the rules, i'm sure i could quite easily names plenty  of top class footballers who havent dont well at club football, and like i have said, it could partly be due to the fact that they played on instinct and had to think less about the game, if you look across the world game, the top club managers generally had poor careers as footballers and ofen started in lowering coaching systems, learing there trade and being able to see football from a different perspective, beingpart of a successful team, i dont think a top players whose played at the peak of the game for 15 years gets the see that perspective and misses out on vital experience.

[fredbob]

Mark Hughes is doing alright for himself...

 

started at a nation, moved onto a club... pretty damn instinctive/good in his day!

 

Mark Hughes also strikes me as an intense, sharp minded individual.

[johnnypd]

Are we talking about international managers? Because if we are, then i can quite easily see why Shearer would be successful. But comparing club managers to international managers is pretty pointless, they are completely different ball games. There arent too many top class footballers who have transferred to club management well, i can only really think of Rijkaard of recent years whose done anything substantial on the club arena. Mark Hughes is another manager doing well so far, i dont doubt that he will bea success for the fututre either, my point is is that there is always exceptions to the rules, i'm sure i could quite easily names plenty  of top class footballers who havent dont well at club football, and like i have said, it could partly be due to the fact that they played on instinct and had to think less about the game, if you look across the world game, the top club managers generally had poor careers as footballers and ofen started in lowering coaching systems, learing there trade and being able to see football from a different perspective, beingpart of a successful team, i dont think a top players whose played at the peak of the game for 15 years gets the see that perspective and misses out on vital experience.

 

and rijkaard's first job was to get sparta rotterdam relegated from the eredivisie for the first time in their 114 year history!

[fredbob]

well yeh, fair enough, not sure whose point that proves but.....

[merlin]

I suspect that, when it comes to management, Shearer would like to come in at the top, or not at all. He wants to spend time with his family and he's wary of the demands that management can make on him, which are particularly harsh at the lower rungs, where you can't delegate so much.

 

Alan Hansen has been touting him for the England job, and that wouldn't have happened without Shearer's consent. That's clearly a job that he fancies.

 

Even Clough started at Hartlepool and I think the best managers will do well at any level - Fergie was successful at Aberdeen, and knocking the Old Firm off their perch is a tough job in Scotland.

 

Strangely, I can see why Shearer has a decent chance of success with England - I always thought he was a far better bet for managership than someone like, say , Beardsley - but if he doesn't get the England job I would like to see him succeed at a smaller club before returning to SJP...both he AND the club need a decent break from each other, but that doesn't mean I think the current incumbent is the man for the job at NUFC - not for the long term anyway.

[fredbob]

yeh i think he might do well for england, he's a pro, and his passion and commitment to england would transend to the players alot more than it would to  the newcastle set up a la Pearce.

 

I dont really understand why he's been touted the the job though, this is a person who got a worse managerial recored than Mclaren, in the sense that its non existent.  I also dont understand this nostalgia and romantic affliction which seems to make people seriously consider him for the nufc job.  If you want a romantic affliction with the nufc past, then have one with the ways we played football under keegan and SBR. I'd much rather that those days occured than we place the future of this club in the hands of another person who hasnt achieved anything of managerial note. I mean even if he did achieve something at the lower leagues id still want it to be a consistently substantial achievement for me to want to consider him.

 

If he does and proves to be a top notch manager, then by all means i would be happy to consider him.

 

 

[Jaehyun]

Wouldn't want him here before he managed somewhere else and he would make a terrible England manager if he did it now.

 

This.

 

Being a good footballer doesn't make you a good football manager, its a whole different skill set, same as in many walks of life.

 

Yes but being a good footballer also doesn't automatically make you a bad football manager. Don't assume he'll make a crap manager just because he was a good footballer.

[sicsfingeredmong]

I have major reservations with regards to Shearer stepping into any management job.