Rich Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 He looks miserable as fuck to me, even when compared with last season. Wouldn't be surprised to see both him and Harper exit the club in the near future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Given is past his best. Agree with that - the long-term injury has taken the edge off him and as I have said before,he doesn't command his area as a top keeper should - not even as good as Harper at doing that... His strength was in reaction saves, but his handling of long-distance shots this season has been poor - the Barnes goal was not particularly fast, but it was reasonably well-placed but Given should have been down faster than he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jep Posted December 25, 2007 Share Posted December 25, 2007 Agree with that - the long-term injury has taken the edge off him and as I have said before,he doesn't command his area as a top keeper should - not even as good as Harper at doing that... His strength was in reaction saves, but his handling of long-distance shots this season has been poor - the Barnes goal was not particularly fast, but it was reasonably well-placed but Given should have been down faster than he was. I dunno.. Past his best? A bit harsh, perhaps. He's obviously not gonna shine as much as he could before, with a slightly more solid defense infront of him. I can't back this up with numbers or anything, but I feel our defence overall is more solid than it has been with at least the previous two (or even three - including SBR) managers, and thus Given will never have to work as hard as he would have to before. Although, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if his injury has indeed changed him. It was a pretty serious one, and he'll always be likely to 'protect' himself subconsciously because of that, like any other person. It's sad really, cos he has been one of our best players since the SBR era started, clearly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 shays fault again by the sounds of things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridman Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 shays fault again by the sounds of things Not really, it was a really well taken free-kick from just outside the box Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 radio claim otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 I watched it, he took a step to the left when the free-kick was taken, which meant he couldn't get back across to the corner he was meant to be defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisJbarnes Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 well to be fair to shay, we only conceded 1 goal from a set piece today, and for a team that had 1 shot, that cant be too bad- i didnt see the game though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 No longer a top keeper. Time Harper was given a long run in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 I remember arguing over the summer that Shay was far too often beaten from long-range, seems a few more people are agreeing with me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Wasn't his fault some stupid arsehole decided to give a free kick away in that position, just because he hadn't fouled anyone for nearly a minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 Wasn't his fault some stupid arsehole decided to give a free kick away in that position, just because he hadn't fouled anyone for nearly a minute. Havent seen the game so can't really comment but can say I wasn't surprised who gave the freekick away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted December 26, 2007 Share Posted December 26, 2007 How far out was todays 'unstoppable' effort? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 How far out was todays 'unstoppable' effort? 23ish yards it looked like. Bit dissppointed with him again, was a good shot but still saveable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 The goalkeeper is the last of our fucking worries right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 he should have saved it, he stepped to his left first and then couldnt get across to his right. starting to agree more and more that we should cash in while we can Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 he should have saved it, he stepped to his left first and then couldnt get across to his right. starting to agree more and more that we should cash in while we can Think we've missed the boat there, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 The goalkeeper is the last of our f****** worries right now. i dont agree. i reckon shay has cost us around 5/6 points this season. not good enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 he should have saved it, he stepped to his left first and then couldnt get across to his right. starting to agree more and more that we should cash in while we can Think we've missed the boat there, personally. i fear you may be right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Notice Jussi made another cock up today, to add to this season's list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1878 Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Notice Jussi made another cock up today, to add to this season's list. He made a brilliant point blank save from Cahill and a couple of other decent stops then lets in one of the softest goals you'll see this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
UV Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Given - 11 games, 45 shots on target, 19 goals conceded. Harper - 8 games, 40 shots on target, 10 goals conceded. Currently conceding at a rate of more than 2 goals for every 5 shots on target. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 isnt this another of Sam's strange decisions. Wasnt Harper doing ok while Given was injured yet as soon as Given was able to walk again, he went straight back into the side. Good incentive for players to play well if the manager is quickly showing that he has his favourites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 isnt this another of Sam's strange decisions. Wasnt Harper doing ok while Given was injured yet as soon as Given was able to walk again, he went straight back into the side. Good incentive for players to play well if the manager is quickly showing that he has his favourites. Yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparks Posted December 27, 2007 Share Posted December 27, 2007 Given - 11 games, 45 shots on target, 19 goals conceded. Harper - 8 games, 40 shots on target, 10 goals conceded. Currently conceding at a rate of more than 2 goals for every 5 shots on target. Well that's really useful, shots that fly in the top corner and shots that come straight at them are counted exactly the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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