Guest BooBoo Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 It is worrying how many times he is beaten from outside the box. In fact i cant remember the last time he madea point winning or match winning save. I really dont think he's been the same since Harewood nigh on disembowled him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I seem to recall Tim Flowers having the same problem. If you watch any 'goals of the season' from around 94-97 watch out for Tim, never stuck his arms out fully when going for long rangers and always seemed to dive backwards. Getting beat regularly frm disatnce is a weakness, but is ususally down to technique so can be worked on. I'm sure Shay recognises this - well he better had Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 You see I wondered why Gerrard against us had 3 pops from range in his first 5 touches. How every team we play recently has started having a go from anywhere almost.....What do they know that we don't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 His position needs to be questioned at the club now tbf. Yes, on his day he's a smashing keeper but his positioning HAS to be questioned and needs someone banging on the door to snatch his no1 shirt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Knightrider Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 We should have bought Gordon for £9m... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 I seem to recall Tim Flowers having the same problem. If you watch any 'goals of the season' from around 94-97 watch out for Tim, never stuck his arms out fully when going for long rangers and always seemed to dive backwards. Getting beat regularly frm disatnce is a weakness, but is ususally down to technique so can be worked on. I'm sure Shay recognises this - well he better had I doubt many would have saved Le Tiss's effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 agree that there are other areas we need to strengthen before looking to get a new keeper in but I haven't been that impressed with Shay this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 We should have bought Gordon for £9m... I think Harewood trying to remove his colon has affected his game a little. Given is still a good keeper, I am not sure he is fully back to his best yet. To be fair to him he needs the defence to actually close down a little first, shots like that shouldn't even be getting through them... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbydazzla Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 we do seem very bad at closing down oppostion players on the edge of the area. its happened time and time again this season.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Not blaming the lad---his injury is simply a trajety---but similar to Cech, they are downgraded from great goalkeeper to good goalkeeper due to injury. Sorry for him tbh, but he is declining. The worst case is we may have to ask Krul to step up next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Yep, too often we completely failt to close down and we still have problems winning the second ball. The sort of stuff Allardyce got right at Bolton so hopefully it will come with time but it is worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Not blaming the lad---his injury is simply a trajety---but similar to Cech, they are downgraded from great goalkeeper to good goalkeeper due to injury. Sorry for him tbh, but he is declining. The worst case is we may have to ask Krul to step up next season. Not still a little too early? Shay is still good enough but if there was a drastic decline I wouldn't be adverse to picking up Jussi on a free in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Yes, just the worst case, because no one can predict the pace of declining for Given. It is very worrying in my opinion, not asking to drop him as he should still be our best keeper but the alarm is on already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Just add this one to his 07/08 portfolio. He's useless; never tracked Barnes' run, didn't close him down and then his x-ray vision failed at a crucial moment again. What an absolute bastard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Wasn't aware Given's supposed to be the holding midfielder who protects the defence and closes down on players attacking loose balls at the edge of the area. It all makes sense, now that you bring this new fact to light. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Wasn't aware Given's supposed to be the holding midfielder who protects the defence and closes down on players attacking loose balls at the edge of the area. It all makes sense, now that you bring this new fact to light. You didn't mention the x-ray vision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Wasn't aware Given's supposed to be the holding midfielder who protects the defence and closes down on players attacking loose balls at the edge of the area. It all makes sense, now that you bring this new fact to light. You didn't mention the x-ray vision. I thought these footballers were always told to keep there eye on the ball. I agree shite like Butt & Rosie are not likely to protect a goalkeeper that much but there are a lot of shots from outside the box flying past Shay this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Any goal from the edge of the area, in the style of Giles barnes goal is the fault of the defence as much as the goalkeeper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest fraser Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Wasn't aware Given's supposed to be the holding midfielder who protects the defence and closes down on players attacking loose balls at the edge of the area. It all makes sense, now that you bring this new fact to light. It was a well placed shot because Barnes had time to place it and Given was unsighted; the despairing slide by Barton showed how dangerous he felt the situation was. It does seem churlish to add this to a list of alleged gaffes and seems more like making the facts fit the argument. You didn't mention the x-ray vision. I thought these footballers were always told to keep there eye on the ball. I agree s**** like Butt & Rosie are not likely to protect a goalkeeper that much but there are a lot of shots from outside the box flying past Shay this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Wasn't aware Given's supposed to be the holding midfielder who protects the defence and closes down on players attacking loose balls at the edge of the area. It all makes sense, now that you bring this new fact to light. It was a well placed shot because Barnes had time to place it and Given was unsighted; the despairing slide by Barton showed how dangerous he felt the situation was. It does seem churlish to add this to a list of alleged gaffes and seems more like making the facts fit the argument. You didn't mention the x-ray vision. I thought these footballers were always told to keep there eye on the ball. I agree s**** like Butt & Rosie are not likely to protect a goalkeeper that much but there are a lot of shots from outside the box flying past Shay this season. Thing is, if they actually did their job, Shay would have very few longshots to save! (biased, as I am a keeper though ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Wasn't aware Given's supposed to be the holding midfielder who protects the defence and closes down on players attacking loose balls at the edge of the area. It all makes sense, now that you bring this new fact to light. It was a well placed shot because Barnes had time to place it and Given was unsighted; the despairing slide by Barton showed how dangerous he felt the situation was. It does seem churlish to add this to a list of alleged gaffes and seems more like making the facts fit the argument. You didn't mention the x-ray vision. I thought these footballers were always told to keep there eye on the ball. I agree s**** like Butt & Rosie are not likely to protect a goalkeeper that much but there are a lot of shots from outside the box flying past Shay this season. Thing is, if they actually did their job, Shay would have very few longshots to save! (biased, as I am a keeper though ) Well thats a GIVEN But Derby only had two shots on target & scored twice. :-[ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Wasn't aware Given's supposed to be the holding midfielder who protects the defence and closes down on players attacking loose balls at the edge of the area. It all makes sense, now that you bring this new fact to light. It was a well placed shot because Barnes had time to place it and Given was unsighted; the despairing slide by Barton showed how dangerous he felt the situation was. It does seem churlish to add this to a list of alleged gaffes and seems more like making the facts fit the argument. You didn't mention the x-ray vision. I thought these footballers were always told to keep there eye on the ball. I agree s**** like Butt & Rosie are not likely to protect a goalkeeper that much but there are a lot of shots from outside the box flying past Shay this season. Thing is, if they actually did their job, Shay would have very few longshots to save! (biased, as I am a keeper though ) Well thats a GIVEN But Derby only had two shots on target & scored twice. :-[ Both could have been stopped if Roz got his foot in. Especially the second.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 my uncle told me a few weeks ago that he thought shay had 'lost it'. i laughed then, i have to say i dont now, i think he may have a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 shays not what he was but is still a very good keeper. i sit behind the goal in the gallowgate and as soon as barnes hit his shot it was in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted December 24, 2007 Share Posted December 24, 2007 Like some have alluded to, the only thing wrong with Shay Given is that he hasn't won us any points this season. Other than that, he's been steady Eddie. Are there any keepers in the prem winning teams games this year? Maybe little Kasper at the start of the season for City, but he was quite lucky. I suppose in order to be lucky, you have to be good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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