bodson Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Get rid now, he will never be the man for NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Suffer it till the end of the season, (as long as we don't get relegated), sound out a manager with a fucking footballing brain, and fire the fat fucking cunt sharp. He can take that fucking bleach haired twat smith with him as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ember Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Keep. I am pleased with performance :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Yes, he's clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clay Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Keep. Still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Keep. I am pleased with performance :-) Dear lord. WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ember Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Keep. I am pleased with performance :-) Dear lord. WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE CHILDREN. If you're taking the piss out of me, please don't. Thanks pal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Phil K Posted January 6, 2008 Share Posted January 6, 2008 Yes. Get rid of this clueless c***. Looking good first half, Duff was playing well on the right, Zog and Enrique playing well on the left, linking up well, so what does Allardyce do at half time.. needlessly switches wingers. No creativity whatsoever in the middle with 2 useless idiots in Smith and Butt, so of course he leaves them both on for the 90 and takes off Duff. Everyone on this forum seen what needed to be done, yet a bloke who is getting paid millions to be in charge can't? f*** off. It is getting worse, not better. Absolutely correct. The media are thoroughly enjoying the mess Sam has made - and trying to slag us off even before he's sacked to try and stop it happening - they just love to see us struggle, and Sams the man to keep it happening ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 dump the muppet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the amount of personal abuse towards sam is quite pathetic really. so you dont think he's a good manager, fair enough, but is there any need to call him a "fat fucking cunt" and such? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the amount of personal abuse towards sam is quite pathetic really. so you dont think he's a good manager, fair enough, but is there any need to call him a "fat fucking cunt" and such? He acts liek a cunt, he gets called a cunt. Seems fair to me. PS - not "think" - he's CLEARLY not very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the amount of personal abuse towards sam is quite pathetic really. so you dont think he's a good manager, fair enough, but is there any need to call him a "fat f****** c***" and such? He acts liek a c***, he gets called a c***. Seems fair to me. PS - not "think" - he's CLEARLY not very good. i personally dont think you're a good poster but i refrain from calling you such words. grow up, eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Monkey Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the amount of personal abuse towards sam is quite pathetic really. so you dont think he's a good manager, fair enough, but is there any need to call him a "fat f****** c***" and such? He acts liek a c***, he gets called a c***. Seems fair to me. PS - not "think" - he's CLEARLY not very good. i personally dont think you're a good poster but i refrain from calling you such words. grow up, eh? "such words" Some people use "such words", some don't. Get over it. You know he's shit, but you dug yourself in and now you can't admit it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Libertine Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 the amount of personal abuse towards sam is quite pathetic really. so you dont think he's a good manager, fair enough, but is there any need to call him a "fat f****** c***" and such? He acts liek a c***, he gets called a c***. Seems fair to me. PS - not "think" - he's CLEARLY not very good. i personally dont think you're a good poster but i refrain from calling you such words. grow up, eh? "such words" Some people use "such words", some don't. Get over it. You know he's s***, but you dug yourself in and now you can't admit it. fair enough, you're right. im shite and im CLEARLY not good enough as a poster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Yes. Get rid of this clueless c***. Looking good first half, Duff was playing well on the right, Zog and Enrique playing well on the left, linking up well, so what does Allardyce do at half time.. needlessly switches wingers. No creativity whatsoever in the middle with 2 useless idiots in Smith and Butt, so of course he leaves them both on for the 90 and takes off Duff. Everyone on this forum seen what needed to be done, yet a bloke who is getting paid millions to be in charge can't? f*** off. It is getting worse, not better. Absolutely correct. The media are thoroughly enjoying the mess Sam has made - and trying to slag us off even before he's sacked to try and stop it happening - they just love to see us struggle, and Sams the man to keep it happening ! But the media will always have a go anyway... if we sack Sam now it will be stories about how short-sighted Newcastle changed their manager yet again at the wrong time in the season etc etc. If we make decisions based on the Fleet Street reaction we'll be fooked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest LucaAltieri Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Still keep him... for all the reasons that have been argued before (without a good counter-argument btw). I'm still finding it hard to believe that some posters on here are claiming SA hasn't got a clue tactically and imply that some how they know better. Please, lads, give your heads a shake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Keep unless someone better is available Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SellSholaFor1M Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Much is made of Newcastle’s history of changing managers so often. It’s used as a stick to beat the Newcastle fans with by the media and by supporters of other clubs. We are called impatient and demanding with ideas above our station. Even the managers of other clubs are joining in to support whichever of their friends are currently carrying the baton. In keeping with the general shallow understanding the football world has of a club we fans avidly watch for development day, after day neither the “experts” of the pundit world or the parasites of the media world even get close to the root cause of what has gone wrong here in recent years. They all see the symptom of what has gone wrong. Only those who understand the club can see the cause and it has precious little to do with the fans! A club who less than ten years ago boasted several top four finishes, champions league football and with the finances generated by (at the time) the 2nd largest gate in the premier league can be undermined by one man and one man alone. The former chairman, ably assisted by his local media hatchet man (Alan Oliver). On a financial and business level the current owner and chairman have seen the damage the inept fool has done. Our club, we are told, was on the verge of folding like “a house of cards”. Surely they can see that the financial position was so imperilled because of the damage done on the footballing side? I hope so. Shepherd’s primary failing was not the dismissal of managers (with the notable exception of Sir Bobby Robson). Sure the manner in which he handled it was entirely incompetent; as a knee jerk to divert the public pressure from himself immediately after key transfer windows and with no alternative appointment in mind being his modus operandi. It’s worth addressing the issue of Sir Bobby Robson here. We, as a fan base, were devastated by that decision. Of the 50,000 who turn up for home games week in, week out I’d be amazed if there were 3,000 agitating for his removal at the time (even if they won’t admit it now). A tiny but vocal minority were dissatisfied with the job he was doing but the chairman and his media hatchet man convinced themselves otherwise and in that one act put us on the path to mid table mediocrity where we find ourselves today. But it’s the chairman’s primary failing which kept us on the path and that failure was the complete inability to actually appoint the right candidate in the first place. This more than any other thing has been the problem with Newcastle, make absolutely no mistake about it. No matter how overlooked it might be in the unfortunate press coverage given this club. You can go right back to Keegan’s departure and tick them off one by one. We were criticized for being poor defensively and so we appointed a candidate famed for organizing teams while playing a more dour brand of football. In fairness there was no obvious reason why Dalglish failed here. Misfortune with injuries and a lack of funding only partially explain his failure to bring the success he otherwise did with Blackburn. Although some key signings were made too many poor plays came with them; Liverpool rejects, his son and no hopers like Guivarch and Glass. While the attacking backbone of Keegan’s entertainers was broken. Ferdinand, Beardsley and Asprilla departing for pastures new. Gullit was another big name but a senseless appointment in reaction to the perception that we’d become a dour team under the dour Scotsman. He promised “sexy football” and (we didn’t learn the first time) the fans were optimistic. Ignoring the very real concern that our new manager had previously dismissed our star player and Geordie talisman’s £15m signing as “madness”. Inevitably the gutless football, terrible signings and breakdown in relations between the two lead to the inevitable. We then had our renaissance with Sir Bobby at the helm but let’s make a distinction here between him and everyone else. We were a club in serious trouble following the disastrous previous regimes. Too many terrible players under contract, a terrible start to the season under Gullit and firmly rooted to the bottom of the table. No strength or depth to the squad with only a handful of players remaining worthy of the wearing the shirt. The man performed miracles to lead us up to 11th with the talent at his disposal while cutting the dross and being unable to make significant signings of his own. Make absolutely no mistake. For Allardyce to try and compare his and Robson’s starts as a reason why we are so terrible in his first season is an absolute travesty of dishonest and blind excuse making. Robson would have taken this squad to the champions league, such was his talent for over achieving with the resources at his disposal. Like before Shepherd acted on media perception. Previously we had been poor defensively (hire an organizer), then dour (hire Mr Sexy football), now we lacked discipline so, true to form, Souness was brought in. By now (and largely thanks to Robson’s dismissal) we fans had lost all faith in the chairman’s judgement and we weren’t prepared to show any patience for his ongoing failures. He wasn’t given a chance in all honesty but then he didn’t do a lot to earn one either despite a decent start results wise. Shepherd’s delusions and his reliance on Alan Oliver were never more apparent then when he claimed Souness was the “fan’s choice”. Garbage! We wanted Sir Bobby! Roeder followed, the care taker earned his chance (and a fan’s petition for the appointment of Hitzfeld was completely ignored) but he wasn’t backed and performances weren’t up to scratch towards the end of his reign. Unbelievably bad luck with injury not withstanding. So we come to Allardyce. Another manager the majority of the fans thought wasn’t up to the job. Given the job ahead of the interested Sven Goran Eriksson who our idiot chairman “laughed” at the idea of appointing. So far we’ve been proven as right as we normally are. Terrible football, terrible results, underachieving players, tactical disasters and strategic disaster lurking on the horizon. Ironically Sir Bobby, who has always understood the club, has identified why Allardyce is failing here. He has never, through out his career, produced the type of football a European calibre club needs to play. If he wasn’t such a gentleman he’d say more. Sack him and finally make an appointment that can actually live up to expectations. This job needs the right man and the failure to find him has been this clubs abiding problem for a long time. The previous chairman was a footballing idiot. We can only hope the new regime has a better idea of what is needed here and, just as importantly, don’t let the ignorant elements of the media persuade them to ignore the first rule of warfare. Never reinforce failure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 Where did you get that from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SellSholaFor1M Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 It was written by someone on Toon Talk. Spot on it is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 The middles bit i've heard a million times before, that doesn't mean i'm not in agreement with it, and the full article is pretty much spot on imo as well. (although i had a lot more faith in SA when he was appointed, and i would be wrong for me to say i thought he wasn't up to it then) Were still paying for the mistakes of our previous regime, that's certain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 The middles bit i've heard a million times before, that doesn't mean i'm not in agreement with it, and the full article is pretty much spot on imo as well. Were still paying for the mistakes of our previous regime, that's certain. I agree with the overall sentiment, but there's a few things with a tint of rose about them. Lots of people wanted rid of Robson. The stadium was practically empty for the lap of honour when we finished 5th, as a show of support it was terrible and to the players a final nail in the coffin which was displayed by our start to the following season. As a fan base the Newcastle fans failed Robson miserably. Though lots of managers were a reaction to the previous man, you can't really argue that point with Allardyce. He's the man Shepherd chased for years. And though the majority might have thought he wasn't up to it, I remember very few people agreeing with me that we'd be better off if we stuck with Roeder. And there's loads who preferred to get Allardyce over Sven for some bizarre reason, a myth that goes around about him being lucky, aye, we don't need that do we. Canny summing up of Shepherd's performance otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted January 7, 2008 Share Posted January 7, 2008 "I was blind...Now I can see..." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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