Isn't it about time we had an argument about THE BOARD?!?!?!?!?!

[Baggio]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Nice to see NE5 still avoiding my question, don't worry I won't ask again because we all know why you won't answer.

 

A conflict in your agenda, on the one hand you want to go off on one about the board not backing their manager like some whinging old tart who's found out someone's shit in her handbag, on the other hand you know a serious discussion on the subject with me will mean you either have to admit you're wrong or that Keegan is lying about wanting to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants to cover for them, you think too much of him to call him a yes man.

 

Still, knock yourself out with your repetitive whining.

[Dave]

don't think you get the point Dave.

 

Loads of people insinuated that the fat bastard was the only person who got this "timing" business wrong.........

 

Clearly not. The don't "hate" the current regime for getting the "timing wrong" then >?

 

 

 

Can't be arsed any more.

[NE5]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Why are you assuming he'd sign players 'he didn't really want' strange assumption....And what's to say quality players he wants WILL be available in the summer. Don't you think we should have moved heaven and earth to give the mf a boost for the remainder of the season? There are still PLENTY of points to fight for...

 

In an ideal world, we should have signed a few good players. But Keegan was only recently appointed, and hes inherited a squad with some vastly overrated and overpaid players who dont perform despite their reputation, meaning its going to be difficult to shift them - and on top of this, this was the January window when plenty of clubs arent willing to sell.

 

I understand all of that. But tbf if I was a billionaire owner I would have conferred with one of the coaches/scouts/hangers-oners/agents/fatblokeinpub/Ventere/Jiminez/Terry Mac/agents/super-agents/bung merchants/fixers/night school truants/ nutters/ friends of nutters/ bloggers...If there was perhaps ONE player we could nick from somewhere with a bit of quality. No? 

 

Precisely.

 

This strange defense of the current regime, when the old one would have been absolutely slaughtered is rather stange, even more so when you consider they had proved their ambition for the club many times over and over again

 

 

 

if ashley does well for the club, takes us forward into a brave new era, and then he starts taking us backwards and has to sell up to someone so they can have a go, i'm gonna end up like you aren't i?

 

Knowledgeable and informed about the club ?

 

You might, if you stick to it. I'm pleased you concede they did very well mind, for most of their time running the club, which is all I've ever really said myself.

 

 

[Dr Venkman]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Why are you assuming he'd sign players 'he didn't really want' strange assumption....And what's to say quality players he wants WILL be available in the summer. Don't you think we should have moved heaven and earth to give the mf a boost for the remainder of the season? There are still PLENTY of points to fight for...

 

In an ideal world, we should have signed a few good players. But Keegan was only recently appointed, and hes inherited a squad with some vastly overrated and overpaid players who dont perform despite their reputation, meaning its going to be difficult to shift them - and on top of this, this was the January window when plenty of clubs arent willing to sell.

 

but isn't the fat bastard the only chairman in the game who appointed and fired people at the "wrong time" ? All on his own too without consulting his major shareholders

 

Terrible, this embarrassment eh. Fancy getting the timing all wrong again.

 

 

 

 

Are you fucking mental? Loads of people were unhappy about the timing of Allardyce's sacking.

 

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

 

don't think you get the point Dave.

 

Loads of people insinuated that the fat bastard was the only person who got this "timing" business wrong.........

 

Clearly not. The don't "hate" the current regime for getting the "timing wrong" then >?

 

 

 

and the question remains, why do you care THIS much about what people think of the old board?

[La Parka]

Good luck Fabio, hope you survive the fickle fans.

 

[NE5]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Nice to see NE5 still avoiding my question, don't worry I won't ask again because we all know why you won't answer.

 

A conflict in your agenda, on the one hand you want to go off on one about the board not backing their manager like some whinging old tart who's found out someone's shit in her handbag, on the other hand you know a serious discussion on the subject with me will mean you either have to admit you're wrong or that Keegan is lying about wanting to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants to cover for them, you think too much of him to call him a yes man.

 

Still, knock yourself out with your repetitive whining.

 

are you stalking me

 

 

[Wullie]

The timing was as close to spot on as it could be tbh.

[Mick]

 

the 2 stooges together. Trying to tell us that the club show ambition by failing to sign a player  mackems.gif

 

Fantastic. I haven't seen such rubbish, believed by people too, since the McKeag and Westwood days.

 

 

 

I wonder what you thought of the Rooney bid by Shepherd, somehow hypocrite comes to mind, not that that's new as we've spent more in the last two windows than we did in the two before that while being in a similar position, I don't remember you moaning back them.  

[NE5]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Why are you assuming he'd sign players 'he didn't really want' strange assumption....And what's to say quality players he wants WILL be available in the summer. Don't you think we should have moved heaven and earth to give the mf a boost for the remainder of the season? There are still PLENTY of points to fight for...

 

In an ideal world, we should have signed a few good players. But Keegan was only recently appointed, and hes inherited a squad with some vastly overrated and overpaid players who dont perform despite their reputation, meaning its going to be difficult to shift them - and on top of this, this was the January window when plenty of clubs arent willing to sell.

 

but isn't the fat bastard the only chairman in the game who appointed and fired people at the "wrong time" ? All on his own too without consulting his major shareholders

 

Terrible, this embarrassment eh. Fancy getting the timing all wrong again.

 

 

 

 

Are you fucking mental? Loads of people were unhappy about the timing of Allardyce's sacking.

 

You're just embarrassing yourself now.

 

don't think you get the point Dave.

 

Loads of people insinuated that the fat bastard was the only person who got this "timing" business wrong.........

 

Clearly not. The don't "hate" the current regime for getting the "timing wrong" then >?

 

 

 

and the question remains, why do you care THIS much about what people think of the old board?

 

I don't care about anybody. I just want someone to come along and at least equal the Champions League qualifications the old board did. If they don't then it means we haven't been better off without them. Whats difficult to understand about that ?

 

 

[Parky]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Nice to see NE5 still avoiding my question, don't worry I won't ask again because we all know why you won't answer.

 

A conflict in your agenda, on the one hand you want to go off on one about the board not backing their manager like some whinging old tart who's found out someone's shit in her handbag, on the other hand you know a serious discussion on the subject with me will mean you either have to admit you're wrong or that Keegan is lying about wanting to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants to cover for them, you think too much of him to call him a yes man.

 

Still, knock yourself out with your repetitive whining.

 

 

I wouldn't start to overestimate KK just yet. It's going to be a tough gig.

[Dave]

The timing was as close to spot on as it could be tbh.

 

I disagree. If Keegan does poorly, I'll be sure to bring this up for years to come.

[Dr Venkman]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Why are you assuming he'd sign players 'he didn't really want' strange assumption....And what's to say quality players he wants WILL be available in the summer. Don't you think we should have moved heaven and earth to give the mf a boost for the remainder of the season? There are still PLENTY of points to fight for...

 

In an ideal world, we should have signed a few good players. But Keegan was only recently appointed, and hes inherited a squad with some vastly overrated and overpaid players who dont perform despite their reputation, meaning its going to be difficult to shift them - and on top of this, this was the January window when plenty of clubs arent willing to sell.

 

I understand all of that. But tbf if I was a billionaire owner I would have conferred with one of the coaches/scouts/hangers-oners/agents/fatblokeinpub/Ventere/Jiminez/Terry Mac/agents/super-agents/bung merchants/fixers/night school truants/ nutters/ friends of nutters/ bloggers...If there was perhaps ONE player we could nick from somewhere with a bit of quality. No? 

 

Precisely.

 

This strange defense of the current regime, when the old one would have been absolutely slaughtered is rather stange, even more so when you consider they had proved their ambition for the club many times over and over again

 

 

 

if ashley does well for the club, takes us forward into a brave new era, and then he starts taking us backwards and has to sell up to someone so they can have a go, i'm gonna end up like you aren't i?

 

Knowledgeable and informed about the club ?

 

You might, if you stick to it. I'm pleased you concede they did well mind, for most of their time running the club, which is all I've ever really said myself.

 

 

 

fyp

 

and for gods sake dont say concede, i didnt concede anything, you're pathetic obsession with being 'right' in a world of opinions makes you sound like a teenager

[La Parka]

FUCKING HELL IS THIS SHITTY POLITICS BULLOCKS STILL GOING ON IN HERE!

 

ARN'T WE MISSING THE POINT HERE?!   

 

Good luck to Fabio, hope it turns out well for him!  

[WhatTheFunk]

Are you suggesting we never had a single disappointing transfer window/summer under the old lot?

 

not suggesting anything Dave. I find the hypocrisy of standards - which boils down completely to personalities - quite amazing.

 

Simple fact is that I've seen this before. Unambitious board who aren't prepared to compete with the winning clubs but attempt to pacify fans with talk of "youth systems", "the future plans"....blah blah, other such bollocks.

 

Simple fact also is that you need players the top teams want if you want to challenge them, never mind beat them. Particularly incredible is the fact that Keegan showed everybody this the first time round. I don't think Mort has the slightest clue about football and how it works. They / he [interesting one this, will it be Ashleys fault as major shareholder or Morts as chairman if Keegan fucks off or fails] will have to catch on quickly or Keegan will put them under pressure or bugger off. Quite right too if he does under those circumstances.

 

I simply don't buy the people who are now supporting this deluded "kids policy" instead of spending money, when all we heard every other week under the old board was "splash the cash you greedy fat b******"

 

Amazing.

 

The sooner we are back in europe the better. And if Ashley and Mort don't realise this, for me they can both bugger off.

 

 

 

Right. I think it's now plainly obvious that your agenda is merely to attack the new board regardless. When you say things like "people are supporting the kids policy INSTEAD of buying big players" etc....

 

That's a load of bollocks LM and you know it. People are saying that it will do us no harm to try and uncover a few gems in the process, until we are able to attract the Berbatovs of this world!! No one is saying the board to should aim to produce an entire first team from youth talent!!! But if one or two turn out to be useful, then why not?

 

Amazing

 

Shame, but I think for a long time the agenda of numerous people was simply to attack the old board whatever they did regardless. And still is, in fact.

 

Buying up the best kids and ignoring the present is nothing other than taking a punt at gaining success on the cheap, and doesn't bode well I'm afraid.

 

I've tried to tell you it doesn't work, because it hasn't in the past at pretty much any other club plus common sense tells you it isn't so simple as this - so if you think differently, then of course thats your opinion. I look forward to seeing your u-turn.

 

 

 

Do you mean when we tried it with Bassedas, Cort, Bramble etc...?

 

You could look at Craig Bellamy and Laurent Robert if you like, but it wouldn't suit your "opinion" would it.

 

As you are unable to distinguish the difference between the board backing their managers, and where it becomes the managers responsibility to make good judgements rather than poor ones [bobby Robson too] there is really no point in attempting to explain this to you.

 

 

 

You've got me all wrong, and you are still seemingly reluctant to read my posts properly, and answer to "facts" you pointed out.

 

Bellamy and Robert are EXACTLY the type of signings we should be making. As we did with Ferdinand, Ginola and Batty. Quality players, in their prime, that would have walked into the top clubs at the time. I am in no way disputing that whatsoever.

 

What I'm saying is that for some reason, we haven't gone out and bought these players in the summer (for somewhat obvious reasons being the takeover and big sam's uncertainty over his own future and the assessment the new owners felt they needed to make). We couldn't sign this type of player in January due to the arrival of a new manager, and little time left in the window. Now...would it have been better not to have signed anyone at all? I'm in no way arguing that we shouldn't go after the top players. But what I'm saying is that if for whatever reason we didn't or couldn't, then there is no harm in bringing in some youth, and taking a chance that one or two might turn out better than average. They could either be integrated into the first team, or sold at a profit. WHAT'S THE HARM IN THAT? (question in caps so you don't miss it).

 

As for your argument, which you continue to avoid answering to.....i listed the players you said were youth players we bought the last time we went down the "kids policy" route. I responded by saying that those were NOT youth team signings, and that some were even above 20 at the time and established internationals/first team players.

 

Please read the post carefully so you don't misinterpret what I'm saying, and give a fair response, as I'm trying to have a debate. If you choose not to, then don't waste my time or yours. I'm hoping....but I'm not holding my breath.

 

EDIT: Oh and by the way, you conveniently ignore the FACT that we made a bid for Jonathan Woodgate this window. A big player in his prime.

 

I've answered your post. I would also point out that we didn't buy Woodgate, unlike last time, also in the January window.

 

Perhaps, as has been pointed out, Woodgate saw Spurs as a more progressive club than us ? How does that grab you, because they certainly weren't when we were run by the halls and Shepherd. And strangely too, they were more progressive than we were before the halls and Shepherd.

 

Work it out for yourself, but don't let personalities or the facts I've just told you, affect your "opinion"

 

 

 

We didn't get Woodgate because the fact is that we have gone backwards since he was here the first time. We started to go backwards because Shepherd made some abysmal decisions in appointing Souness and Roeder (still believe Big Sam was a good decision).

 

No one disputes the fact that the Halls/Shepherd/Keegan were the ones to thank for putting Newcastle back on the map, and turning us into perennial big hitters. But when things start to sour, and people with responsibility begin to make mistakes, then they need to go. Just as one needs to sell a player once he's past it regardless of how good they were in the past.

 

The new regime has been in for 5 minutes, and you're accusing them of lack of ambition. I think that is bullshit, and smacks of bitterness. Shepherd had been there for years, and people got on his back when they had seen enough. Believe you me, if the new board are here for a while, and begin to make mistakes year after year, and show signs of ineptitude year after year, I'll want them out too. So far they haven't had anywhere near enough time to do what they want to do, but imo they have signaled their intentions loud and clear. Obviously, action speaks louder than words, and we can only hope, wait and see.

 

As for you answering my question regarding the players you claim were youth signings....I still can't find the answer. How on earth were Bramble, Cort, Bassedas (), O'Brien, LuaLua comparable as youth signings to Tozer, Kadar, Baheng, Zamblera and Sodeberg???

 

Well done, you join the ranks of those who rather absurdly think that for some reason the major shareholdes ie the Halls, stood back and allowed someone with less shares to make the major decisions all on his own.

 

There are plenty of them around. Either that or they are just making their comments up to suit their "opinion"

 

BTW, Bramble etc were older. Young players who it was thought would increase in value and be good players for the club. What is your problem with signing players under that particular criteria, and why do you think signing 17 year olds for nothing when we need players now is a better policy ?

 

Keen them coming. Make it fit your "opinion" as long as you like. You're wrong though.

 

 

 

I don't see it as "Wrong" re: Bramble etc. What I'm saying is that we haven't gone down the path of bringing in players in numbers to play in the youth team to be developed here. We have never really focused on that policy, and never made it one of the priorities. What's the harm in trying now? In my opinion, which I believe is the same as yours, the club should go for the best possible players they could manage to attract at any given time, in the summer or january, and I maintain that opinion. Some are attainable and realistic, some are youth players for the academy, some will be young but be able to cut it in the first team, and some will be seemingly past it but able to offer experience and solidity for a short term fix.

 

I stand corrected. It was the Halls/Shepherd who fucked things up in the end and needed to go. Not Shepherd on his own.

[Baggio]

NE5 - Would you prefer Keegan to sign players now that he doesn't really want for the sake of it or would you prefer him to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants when they will be available? 10 bonus points if you can answer it without mentioning Shepherd or the old boards.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

This is the 3rd time I've asked you.

 

Can you answer this please, NE5?

 

Nice to see NE5 still avoiding my question, don't worry I won't ask again because we all know why you won't answer.

 

A conflict in your agenda, on the one hand you want to go off on one about the board not backing their manager like some whinging old tart who's found out someone's shit in her handbag, on the other hand you know a serious discussion on the subject with me will mean you either have to admit you're wrong or that Keegan is lying about wanting to wait until the Summer to get the players he wants to cover for them, you think too much of him to call him a yes man.

 

Still, knock yourself out with your repetitive whining.

 

 

I wouldn't start to overestimate KK just yet. It's going to be a tough gig.

 

I'm sure NE5 can put up a decent debate about the topic with me himself, then again... mackems.gif

[NE5]

 

the 2 stooges together. Trying to tell us that the club show ambition by failing to sign a player  mackems.gif

 

Fantastic. I haven't seen such rubbish, believed by people too, since the McKeag and Westwood days.

 

 

 

I wonder what you thought of the Rooney bid by Shepherd, somehow hypocrite comes to mind, not that that's new as we've spent more in the last two windows than we did in the two before that while being in a similar position, I don't remember you moaning back them.  

 

I can understand a player preferring to sign for ManU, but Spurs ? Strange that isn't it, we lost 2 of our best ever players to Spurs in the 1980's and you defend that board too........yet slate the board who didn't lose our best players and signed quality ones instead.

 

Where did you go wrong in the logic stakes I wonder

 

 

[NE5]

I think a little mouse is trying to have a debate with me 

[Dave]

Classic diversion.

[WhatTheFunk]

 

the 2 stooges together. Trying to tell us that the club show ambition by failing to sign a player  mackems.gif

 

Fantastic. I haven't seen such rubbish, believed by people too, since the McKeag and Westwood days.

 

 

 

I wonder what you thought of the Rooney bid by Shepherd, somehow hypocrite comes to mind, not that that's new as we've spent more in the last two windows than we did in the two before that while being in a similar position, I don't remember you moaning back them. 

 

I can understand a player preferring to sign for ManU, but Spurs ? Strange that isn't it, we lost 2 of our best ever players to Spurs in the 1980's and you defend that board too........yet slate the board who didn't lose our best players and signed quality ones instead.

 

Where did you go wrong in the logic stakes I wonder

 

 

 

Didn't we lose Andy Cole to Man Utd.? Ferdinand and Ginola to Spurs? And can anyone honestly say, that hand on heart, they believe Shearer would have signed for us had he not been a Geordie?

[La Parka]

Any chance you can split the thread or something? Move all this bullshit somewhere else? What has this board discussion got to do with fabio. I'm tired of these shitty politics coming up over and over again.

[Dave]

Any chance you can split the thread or something? Move all this bullshit somewhere else? What has this board discussion got to do with fabio. I'm tired of these shitty politics coming up over and over again.

 

Do you want to try? 'Cos I don't.

[NE5]

 

the 2 stooges together. Trying to tell us that the club show ambition by failing to sign a player  mackems.gif

 

Fantastic. I haven't seen such rubbish, believed by people too, since the McKeag and Westwood days.

 

 

 

I wonder what you thought of the Rooney bid by Shepherd, somehow hypocrite comes to mind, not that that's new as we've spent more in the last two windows than we did in the two before that while being in a similar position, I don't remember you moaning back them.   

 

I can understand a player preferring to sign for ManU, but Spurs ? Strange that isn't it, we lost 2 of our best ever players to Spurs in the 1980's and you defend that board too........yet slate the board who didn't lose our best players and signed quality ones instead.

 

Where did you go wrong in the logic stakes I wonder

 

 

 

Didn't we lose Andy Cole to Man Utd.? Ferdinand and Ginola to Spurs? And can anyone honestly say, that hand on heart, they believe Shearer would have signed for us had he not been a Geordie?

 

Managers decisions.

 

I know some people won't get it and you were one.

 

There is clearly no point in trying to explain to you why players like Gazza and Waddle [and Beardsley] wanted to leave the club, as it won't change your "opinion".

 

Cheers

 

 

[La Parka]

Any chance you can split the thread or something? Move all this bullshit somewhere else? What has this board discussion got to do with fabio. I'm tired of these shitty politics coming up over and over again.

 

Do you want to try? 'Cos I don't.

 

Change the title to:

 

Another one of those pointless board threads that goes around in circles

 

or something.

 

[WhatTheFunk]

 

the 2 stooges together. Trying to tell us that the club show ambition by failing to sign a player  mackems.gif

 

Fantastic. I haven't seen such rubbish, believed by people too, since the McKeag and Westwood days.

 

 

 

I wonder what you thought of the Rooney bid by Shepherd, somehow hypocrite comes to mind, not that that's new as we've spent more in the last two windows than we did in the two before that while being in a similar position, I don't remember you moaning back them. 

 

I can understand a player preferring to sign for ManU, but Spurs ? Strange that isn't it, we lost 2 of our best ever players to Spurs in the 1980's and you defend that board too........yet slate the board who didn't lose our best players and signed quality ones instead.

 

Where did you go wrong in the logic stakes I wonder

 

 

 

Didn't we lose Andy Cole to Man Utd.? Ferdinand and Ginola to Spurs? And can anyone honestly say, that hand on heart, they believe Shearer would have signed for us had he not been a Geordie?

 

Managers decisions.

 

I know some people won't get it and you were one.

 

There is clearly no point in trying to explain to you why players like Gazza and Waddle [and Beardsley] wanted to leave the club, as it won't change your "opinion".

 

Cheers

 

 

 

I responded to this post as an after-thought. Please respond to my response to your previous response.

 

bloody hell! some response that was 

 

cheers

[Baggio]

Managers decisions.

 

Like our managers decision to wait until the Summer to get the players who he wants?

 

Or is Keegan now a yes man covering for the board?