Guest Edd Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Please no Dunne him and Faye the slowest partners ever. Nonsense. Faye is not slow. Neither is Dunne tbh. He isn't super fast, no, but not particularly slow. True and if you are a top class centre half then speed shouldn't be too much of an issue. Aye. Faye & Dunne would be no slower than Adams & Keown or Bruce & Pallister. And Terry, Carragher, Hyypia etc. are slower than Dunne. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCormick Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Been listening to an egyption radio channel while searching romanian newspapers on the net... new news as of yet but i'll keep you lot posted. Why? I'd say thats a lame way of trying to make fun of me and what I just wrote. Nevermind him. Let me clarify then, the guy who wrote the article on the swedish website, is portuguese, and its just a wild guess, but i think he does listen to portuguese radio, just to keep himself updated with news in his homeland. Wouldnt you do that if you were living in a foreign country? I'm failing to see what egyptian radio stations and Romanian newspapers have to do with Miguel Veloso. eh?? just having a go at the ludicrousy of some of these sources (and no captain, not singling you out mate, sorry if it came out that way) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Please no Dunne him and Faye the slowest partners ever. Nonsense. Faye is not slow. Neither is Dunne tbh. He isn't super fast, no, but not particularly slow. True and if you are a top class centre half then speed shouldn't be too much of an issue. Aye. Faye & Dunne would be no slower than Adams & Keown or Bruce & Pallister. And Terry, Carragher, Hyypia etc. are slower than Dunne. And another point... do we currently possess a "quick" centre-half that Dunne would potentially oust from the team by being partnered with Faye? Of course the answer to that is "do we fuck". Dunne's probably quicker than Taylor, so it'd be an improvement if anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Please no Dunne him and Faye the slowest partners ever. Nonsense. Faye is not slow. Neither is Dunne tbh. He isn't super fast, no, but not particularly slow. True and if you are a top class centre half then speed shouldn't be too much of an issue. Aye. Faye & Dunne would be no slower than Adams & Keown or Bruce & Pallister. And Terry, Carragher, Hyypia etc. are slower than Dunne. Faye & Dunne are nowhere near the level of defenders you mention & would not have the protection in front of them like Keane or Hiller/Petit/Vieria & the full backs either side are not in the same class as Dixon/Winterburn or Irwin/Neville. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Carragher is deceptively quick, and he has the very fast Skrtel and Agger alongside him now that the game is so focused on pace. Dunne has played along Distin and Richards the past few seasons, a faster pair of centre-halves would be hard to find. i also think Faye, and the team in general needs someone composed on the ball who can take it out of defence, and also pass it out from the back. faye has always looked pretty uncomfortable at this aspect of the game imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'm still not completely convinced with Faye, but would like to see him alongside a partner where he'd simply be "the muscle". I don't think him and Dunne would be bad, like. I don't think many strikers would fancy facing them two as a pairing. If he had someone to boss him then I think he'd shine, there's a lot of pressure on him at the minute. We've missed him when he's been out, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Carragher is deceptively quick, and he has the very fast Skrtel and Agger alongside him now that the game is so focused on pace. Dunne has played along Distin and Richards the past few seasons, a faster pair of centre-halves would be hard to find. i also think Faye, and the team in general needs someone composed on the ball who can take it out of defence, and also pass it out from the back. faye has always looked pretty uncomfortable at this aspect of the game imo. Its not all about pace but you either need it to make for your mistakes or be good enough to cover I question them for both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 'The Game' supplement in the Times today said Faye was our player of the season. Obviously many on here would say Beye, but I don't think some on here under-value him. As The Janitor says, we've most definitely missed him when he's been out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'm very much undecided on Faye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I'm very much undecided on Faye. That sounds quite conclusive to me! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 I just never know. Times he looks assured and what have you, other times hes just a big Senegalese headless chicken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 He was a beast up to the ACN. Looked very shaky for a big period after though. not the leader at the back we have lacked since woodgate. but maybe dunne or the new cb we bring in will be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Heneage Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 We need a Woodgate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest teepee Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 dunne has looked a lot better than woodgate this season. not that i dont rate woody, but a lot of people (actually including myself) seems to think he is the only player who can do the job, which simply cannot be true. personally i wouldn't mind staying with taylor and faye as a central pairing for next season. there are other areas of the team we need to focus on first.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The current back five (Harper, Enrique, Faye, Taylor, Beye) have shown over the final part of the season that if the rest of the team is playing well, they are solid enough. Also, look at the shite we frequently had at the back under Robson. I'd be chuffed if we got Dunne in, and we need some cover for the fullbacks, but I won't be disappointed if we don't make wholesale changes at the back. We've finally got a settled defence that can do the job - spend the money where we're woefully inadequate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The current back four (Enrique, Faye, Taylor, Beye) have shown over the final part of the season that if the rest of the team is playing well, they are solid enough. Also look at the shite we frequently had at the back under Robson. I'd be chuffed if we got Dunne in, and we need some cover for the fullbacks, but I won't be disappointed if we don't make wholesale changes at the back. We've finally got a settled defence that can do the job - spend the money where we're woefully inadequate. The lack of depth at the back is a concern though, but I do agree with the sentiment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ericz Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 Most people here seems to have the idea of changing the majority of the current squad we have. My thoughts are that if we make wholesale drastic changes, will the players be able to gel in time for the start of next season? Maybe we should just look forward to changing a few of the first team players, get rid of a few black sheeps, bring in a few more squad players for depth and build on the current momentum we have. After all, it takes a while to build up team spirit, bonding and understanding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShearMagic Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The current back five (Harper, Enrique, Faye, Taylor, Beye) have shown over the final part of the season that if the rest of the team is playing well, they are solid enough. Also, look at the shite we frequently had at the back under Robson. I'd be chuffed if we got Dunne in, and we need some cover for the fullbacks, but I won't be disappointed if we don't make wholesale changes at the back. We've finally got a settled defence that can do the job - spend the money where we're woefully inadequate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The current back five (Harper, Enrique, Faye, Taylor, Beye) have shown over the final part of the season that if the rest of the team is playing well, they are solid enough. Also, look at the shite we frequently had at the back under Robson. I'd be chuffed if we got Dunne in, and we need some cover for the fullbacks, but I won't be disappointed if we don't make wholesale changes at the back. We've finally got a settled defence that can do the job - spend the money where we're woefully inadequate. I disagree Our defense DOES need looking at. To conceed an average of 1.71 goals a game in the league (total 65) is an absolute joke, settled or not. If we are trully aiming for top 5, we need two new centre backs, with Faye and Taylor as cover. Look at 5th to 7th below and the stats of the teams we are aiming for: Everton - .86 a game (total 33) Villa - 1.34 (51) Blackburn 1.26 (48) I agree the back for are settled but they are NOT doing the job. I appreciate this has alot to do with the whole team but none the less, changes are needed IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The current back five (Harper, Enrique, Faye, Taylor, Beye) have shown over the final part of the season that if the rest of the team is playing well, they are solid enough. Also, look at the shite we frequently had at the back under Robson. I'd be chuffed if we got Dunne in, and we need some cover for the fullbacks, but I won't be disappointed if we don't make wholesale changes at the back. We've finally got a settled defence that can do the job - spend the money where we're woefully inadequate. I disagree Our defense DOES need looking at. To conceed an average of 1.71 goals a game in the league (total 65) is an absolute joke, settled or not. If we are trully aiming for top 5, we need two new centre backs, with Faye and Taylor as cover. Look at 5th to 7th below and the stats of the teams we are aiming for: Everton - .86 a game (total 33) Villa - 1.34 (51) Blackburn 1.26 (48) I agree the back for are settled but they are NOT doing the job. I appreciate this has alot to do with the whole team but none the less, changes are needed IMHO. The problem was how we defended as a team prior to the switch to 433. Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and Brown would leak just as many goals if they had what our defenders had in front of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 I think to say those four would have leaked as many is a slight exaggeration but your point is spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Can Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 this is a stupid rumur but tottenham and newcastle have been linked with galatasaray winger arda turan ( why are they always liked with the same players ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The current back five (Harper, Enrique, Faye, Taylor, Beye) have shown over the final part of the season that if the rest of the team is playing well, they are solid enough. Also, look at the shite we frequently had at the back under Robson. I'd be chuffed if we got Dunne in, and we need some cover for the fullbacks, but I won't be disappointed if we don't make wholesale changes at the back. We've finally got a settled defence that can do the job - spend the money where we're woefully inadequate. I disagree Our defense DOES need looking at. To conceed an average of 1.71 goals a game in the league (total 65) is an absolute joke, settled or not. If we are trully aiming for top 5, we need two new centre backs, with Faye and Taylor as cover. Look at 5th to 7th below and the stats of the teams we are aiming for: Everton - .86 a game (total 33) Villa - 1.34 (51) Blackburn 1.26 (48) I agree the back for are settled but they are NOT doing the job. I appreciate this has alot to do with the whole team but none the less, changes are needed IMHO. The problem was how we defended as a team prior to the switch to 433. Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and Brown would leak just as many goals if they had what our defenders had in front of them. The 433 is a problem as well I think against the better teams, we need a squad that can change between the two because over a season, we are still going to get fucked over by the better teams if we do not change the defense with the current setup (which seem favoured by Keegan and the players). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted May 13, 2008 Share Posted May 13, 2008 The current back five (Harper, Enrique, Faye, Taylor, Beye) have shown over the final part of the season that if the rest of the team is playing well, they are solid enough. Also, look at the shite we frequently had at the back under Robson. I'd be chuffed if we got Dunne in, and we need some cover for the fullbacks, but I won't be disappointed if we don't make wholesale changes at the back. We've finally got a settled defence that can do the job - spend the money where we're woefully inadequate. I disagree Our defense DOES need looking at. To conceed an average of 1.71 goals a game in the league (total 65) is an absolute joke, settled or not. If we are trully aiming for top 5, we need two new centre backs, with Faye and Taylor as cover. Look at 5th to 7th below and the stats of the teams we are aiming for: Everton - .86 a game (total 33) Villa - 1.34 (51) Blackburn 1.26 (48) I agree the back for are settled but they are NOT doing the job. I appreciate this has alot to do with the whole team but none the less, changes are needed IMHO. The problem was how we defended as a team prior to the switch to 433. Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand and Brown would leak just as many goals if they had what our defenders had in front of them. The 433 is a problem as well I think against the better teams, we need a squad that can change between the two because over a season, we are still going to get fucked over by the better teams if we do not change the defense with the current setup (which seem favoured by Keegan and the players). It needs tweaking, not digging up. Griffin (Derby Reserve), O'Brien (Bolton squad player), Bramble (maligned Wigan defender) and Bernard (free agent in his 20s) kept a clean sheet against Juventus in the champions League thanks to the performance of the players in front. If we can get better midfielders and strikers who can help us defend as a team whern off the ball, the defence is not an issue anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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