Dokko Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Scored more goals against us than for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 For us. At a guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 13 each I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Just had a quick scan and I think it's 14 against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Someone I was having a chat with mentioned how our struggles this season coincided with Owen's return to fitness and the inability to integrate him into the team. Do people agree with this? I wonder if we would have been better off this season if he had maintained his struggles with his fitness. How many games have we won where he has started as opposed to those games he hasn't started? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Someone I was having a chat with mentioned how our struggles this season coincided with Owen's return to fitness and the inability to integrate him into the team. Do people agree with this? I wonder if we would have been better off this season if he had maintained his struggles with his fitness. How many games have we won where he has started as opposed to those games he hasn't started? He is such a big name that you feel you have to accommodate him. I think you all know how I stand with regards to his value as a player. It's just sad we can't utilise a potentially more effective partnership on Martins and Carrol. Can you imagine the media if Owen was dropped!! Sad thing is, he is half the player he was, yet the media fail to see it, bit like Smith really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Someone I was having a chat with mentioned how our struggles this season coincided with Owen's return to fitness and the inability to integrate him into the team. Do people agree with this? I wonder if we would have been better off this season if he had maintained his struggles with his fitness. How many games have we won where he has started as opposed to those games he hasn't started? Although I'm no fan of Owen in any shape or form I don't agree with this. I don't think we can blame him for everything, if you want to point the finger somewhere I would venture that place to be the central midfield spots, their lack of creativity and lack of protection offered to the back four have got us into this mess. Having said that I would much prefer Martins be given the chance ahead of Owen for the remainder of the season. Martins is more likely to score a goal out of nothing than Owen for me and as we are creating nothing then that's what we need. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Someone I was having a chat with mentioned how our struggles this season coincided with Owen's return to fitness and the inability to integrate him into the team. Do people agree with this? I wonder if we would have been better off this season if he had maintained his struggles with his fitness. How many games have we won where he has started as opposed to those games he hasn't started? My hobbyhorse this. I'd drop him. The only way you can play Owen is just off a big centre forward in an old-fashioned 4-4-2. What we really need is a striker like Bellamy or Beardsley who can drop deeper and link creatively with the midfield. Besides, now that Owen has lost his pace, his value as a specialist finisher is diminished. If we keep playing him, we'll go down IMO. I've always thought that Shepherd behaved badly on our behalf, when he as good as forced Owen to join us when it was clear he didn't want to do it. There's a sad element of poetic justice if that's a decision which turns out to blow up in our face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest DazzaNufc1892 Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Someone I was having a chat with mentioned how our struggles this season coincided with Owen's return to fitness and the inability to integrate him into the team. Do people agree with this? I wonder if we would have been better off this season if he had maintained his struggles with his fitness. How many games have we won where he has started as opposed to those games he hasn't started? My hobbyhorse this. I'd drop him. The only way you can play Owen is just off a big centre forward in an old-fashioned 4-4-2. What we really need is a striker like Bellamy or Beardsley who can drop deeper and link creatively with the midfield. Besides, now that Owen has lost his pace, his value as a specialist finisher is diminished. If we keep playing him, we'll go down IMO. I've always thought that Shepherd behaved badly on our behalf, when he as good as forced Owen to join us when it was clear he didn't want to do it. There's a sad element of poetic justice if that's a decision which turns out to blow up in our face. bollocks tbh, played brilliantly alongside fowler, raul and morientes. yet never looked good alongside shearer for england, and was not all that great alongside heskey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Owen not that great alongside Heskey? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Owen scoring in crucial matches is a myth. In international tournaments his record is shambolic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Someone I was having a chat with mentioned how our struggles this season coincided with Owen's return to fitness and the inability to integrate him into the team. Do people agree with this? I wonder if we would have been better off this season if he had maintained his struggles with his fitness. How many games have we won where he has started as opposed to those games he hasn't started? My hobbyhorse this. I'd drop him. The only way you can play Owen is just off a big centre forward in an old-fashioned 4-4-2. What we really need is a striker like Bellamy or Beardsley who can drop deeper and link creatively with the midfield. Besides, now that Owen has lost his pace, his value as a specialist finisher is diminished. If we keep playing him, we'll go down IMO. I've always thought that Shepherd behaved badly on our behalf, when he as good as forced Owen to join us when it was clear he didn't want to do it. There's a sad element of poetic justice if that's a decision which turns out to blow up in our face. bollocks tbh, played brilliantly alongside fowler, raul and morientes. yet never looked good alongside shearer for england, and was not all that great alongside heskey his best form came alongside Heskey, to say otherwise is ridiculous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Someone I was having a chat with mentioned how our struggles this season coincided with Owen's return to fitness and the inability to integrate him into the team. Do people agree with this? I wonder if we would have been better off this season if he had maintained his struggles with his fitness. How many games have we won where he has started as opposed to those games he hasn't started? Having Owen in the first team has nothing to do with the fact the other 10 cunts can't pass and that were leaking in goals left, right and centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Owen scoring in crucial matches is a myth. In international tournaments his record is shambolic How is it a myth? off the top of my head... vs Argentina 98 (goal + pen) vs Brazil 02 vs Arsenal FA Cup Final (2 goals) vs Man Utd Charity Shield vs Portgual 04 (goal + pen) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 If in doubt, blame Owen again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Owen scoring in crucial matches is a myth. In international tournaments his record is shambolic How is it a myth? off the top of my head... vs Argentina 98 (goal + pen) vs Brazil 02 vs Arsenal FA Cup Final (2 goals) vs Man Utd Charity Shield vs Portgual 04 (goal + pen) Charity Shield? Owen's problem isn't that he doesn't score in crucial games, it's that he's finished. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Owen scoring in crucial matches is a myth. In international tournaments his record is shambolic How is it a myth? off the top of my head... vs Argentina 98 (goal + pen) vs Brazil 02 vs Arsenal FA Cup Final (2 goals) vs Man Utd Charity Shield vs Portgual 04 (goal + pen) Charity Shield? Owen's problem isn't that he doesn't score in crucial games, it's that he's finished. He isn't the same player he was, true, but to say he's finished is an over-statement. Put him in the Arsenal or Man Utd team and I'm certain he'd bang in loads of goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 He'd miss a load of easy chances I know that much. Like Ferguson or Wenger would even entertain the idea for a second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Owen scoring in crucial matches is a myth. In international tournaments his record is shambolic How is it a myth? off the top of my head... vs Argentina 98 (goal + pen) vs Brazil 02 vs Arsenal FA Cup Final (2 goals) vs Man Utd Charity Shield vs Portgual 04 (goal + pen) Charity Shield? Owen's problem isn't that he doesn't score in crucial games, it's that he's finished. He isn't the same player he was, true, but to say he's finished is an over-statement. Put him in the Arsenal or Man Utd team and I'm certain he'd bang in loads of goals. Obviously Wenger and Ferguson disagree, or they would have taken him off us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Owen scoring in crucial matches is a myth. In international tournaments his record is shambolic How is it a myth? off the top of my head... vs Argentina 98 (goal + pen) vs Brazil 02 vs Arsenal FA Cup Final (2 goals) vs Man Utd Charity Shield vs Portgual 04 (goal + pen) Charity Shield? Owen's problem isn't that he doesn't score in crucial games, it's that he's finished. Simple as that, it really is. People just refuse to accept it. Why I will never know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hakka Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Keegan won't drop Owen for the same reason England managers wouldn't for so long. He scores in crucial matches. Unfortunately, without pace he can be easily marked out of a game. The best bet suerly has to be to play him and Martins so we have sometthing else for the opposition to worry about? Owen scoring in crucial matches is a myth. In international tournaments his record is shambolic How is it a myth? off the top of my head... vs Argentina 98 (goal + pen) vs Brazil 02 vs Arsenal FA Cup Final (2 goals) vs Man Utd Charity Shield vs Portgual 04 (goal + pen) Charity Shield? Owen's problem isn't that he doesn't score in crucial games, it's that he's finished. He isn't the same player he was, true, but to say he's finished is an over-statement. Put him in the Arsenal or Man Utd team and I'm certain he'd bang in loads of goals. Obviously Wenger and Ferguson disagree, or they would have taken him off us. Perhaps they are waiting to get him on a free? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Granted he doesnt look the same player but I still maintain that if he was in a good side, whether Newcastle or not, and they were playing well with confidence, he would still get a decent amount of goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 At the end of the day, no matter how bad a team is our strikers really ought to still be able to fashion some goals out of open play having played so many games. Martins was managing this despite how crap people feel he is. Why can't the much better Owen do it then? The guy can't even shoot the ball!!! He never shoots during matches?! I mean he knows the team sucks and he isn'tt likely to get enough quality chances, at least have the odd random pop from distance for goodness sake! No one will hold it against you. The guy is one of themost limited strikers in the premiership right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Granted he doesnt look the same player but I still maintain that if he was in a good side, whether Newcastle or not, and they were playing well with confidence, he would still get a decent amount of goals. This is it. You just can't make this point without the bi-polar crew claiming he's finished and that were blind not to see it like they do. What are you insinuating by that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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