NG32 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Its all history now, we just need to survive this season and I am sure we will be at least a mid table side next year. I think i said that this year as well. Oh well heres to hoping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Souness was said to be 6th choice. Whether that's strictly true, I don't know, but I'm sure he wasn't first choice. In which case, you have to ask why so many turned us down and we ended up having to approach someone whose reputation had diminshed. Two reasons, I reckon. Shepherd had acquired a reputation for interfering with the manager's football decisions, and the shabby way in which Sir Bob was treated didn't create a good impression with the likes of O'Neill. Secondly, Shearer was exerting too much power within the club, both as an undroppable player and the Chairman's choice as future manager. No manager who wasn't desperate for a job would walk into that situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Its all history now, we just need to survive this season and I am sure we will be at least a mid table side next year. I think i said that this year as well. Oh well heres to hoping. totally agree, one thing keegans methods plus a bit of money will get us is mid table to a euro place challenge...i've judged him as harshly as anyone so far since he came back but given a season he'll get enough results against average/bad teams to start building confidence and improving just have to stay up now, and i think we will albeit luckily Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Its all history now, we just need to survive this season and I am sure we will be at least a mid table side next year. I think i said that this year as well. Oh well heres to hoping. Aye. Under Shepherd there were bad times as well as good times but it's history. Hope Mort's getting his bad ones out of the way early like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garth Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Souness was said to be 6th choice. Whether that's strictly true, I don't know, but I'm sure he wasn't first choice. In which case, you have to ask why so many turned us down and we ended up having to approach someone whose reputation had diminshed. Two reasons, I reckon. Shepherd had acquired a reputation for interfering with the manager's football decisions, and the shabby way in which Sir Bob was treated didn't create a good impression with the likes of O'Neill. Secondly, Shearer was exerting too much power within the club, both as an undroppable player and the Chairman's choice as future manager. No manager who wasn't desperate for a job would walk into that situation. Have to agree with this! don't think Luque was Sounesse's choice nor Owen they were Shepherd's trophy signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Souness was said to be 6th choice. Whether that's strictly true, I don't know, but I'm sure he wasn't first choice. In which case, you have to ask why so many turned us down and we ended up having to approach someone whose reputation had diminshed. Two reasons, I reckon. Shepherd had acquired a reputation for interfering with the manager's football decisions, and the shabby way in which Sir Bob was treated didn't create a good impression with the likes of O'Neill. Secondly, Shearer was exerting too much power within the club, both as an undroppable player and the Chairman's choice as future manager. No manager who wasn't desperate for a job would walk into that situation. Have to agree with this! don't think Luque was Sounesse's choice nor Owen they were Shepherd's trophy signings. Yep agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Souness was said to be 6th choice. Whether that's strictly true, I don't know, but I'm sure he wasn't first choice. In which case, you have to ask why so many turned us down and we ended up having to approach someone whose reputation had diminshed. Two reasons, I reckon. Shepherd had acquired a reputation for interfering with the manager's football decisions, and the shabby way in which Sir Bob was treated didn't create a good impression with the likes of O'Neill. Secondly, Shearer was exerting too much power within the club, both as an undroppable player and the Chairman's choice as future manager. No manager who wasn't desperate for a job would walk into that situation. All true enough, but if the top managers weren't willing to come, why not go for an up and coming manager from the lower leagues rather than a proven flop? Unless Freddie's football knowledge was so limited he had no knowledge of young managers rated within the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 If I was at home I'd post the 'This will not end well' picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 On the Dalglish front I think his major issue was that he based all his plans around Shearer and was completely tactically hamstrung when Shearer got injured, so Tomasson suddenly had to bear the burden and completely went missing. However, I totally agree that not backing Robson sufficiently after we finished 3rd and sacking him at a completely useless timei s the root of all this - Souness was a total gobshite, I think even Freddy knew that, but nobody else was available/ebverybody else turned us down. That has seen the beginning of this monumental slide. That said, even Souness had us clear of relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 The appointment of Greame Souness is the most stupid descision ever! It still haunts us and it seems we wont recover from it in years. We should have recovered from it THEN - but I agree with Souness - Shepherd wanted to run the team too instead of letting him get on with it. Shepherd listened to the majority and gave Roeder the job, due only to relief of surviving and walloping one of the worst Sunderland sides in history (ignoring the fact they outplayed us in the 1st half) - then gave the job to Allardyce, IGNORING the majority. Disaster waiting to happen. SHEPHERD was is and always has been the problem. I disagree with most on Dalglish - I believed he used up ALL his bad luck in that one season. He should have been persevered with. Certain players let him down. Like Howey for one. Was as bad as Marcellino for suspect "injuries". SBR should have been moved upstairs at the end of the previous season. NOT sacked. Or in an advisory role to a young manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 If I was at home I'd post the 'This will not end well' picture. http://theducks.org/pictures/this-will-not-end-well-cat.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest elbee909 Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 If you didn't agree with the Souness appointment, then can only ask if you're happy with where we are now? Is this board any better? Eh? EH? Oh sorry, that's a completely shit non-argument, don't know what I'm saying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 dunno daglish set us back aswell I personally think he should have been given much more time, and given it, he would have turned it around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustynrg Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 What were the odds of Souness getting the job then ? Anyone on here have a bet on him? I wonder if anyone did have a bet on him getting the job? Just askin like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 What were the odds of Souness getting the job then ? Anyone on here have a bet on him? I wonder if anyone did have a bet on him getting the job? Just askin like. Are you implying that our Chairman made some money out of it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 What were the odds of Souness getting the job then ? Anyone on here have a bet on him? I wonder if anyone did have a bet on him getting the job? Just askin like. I recall it came totally out of the blue, it was such a stupendously dumb appointment. The only few who were approving at the time were The Chairman, Shearer and our leading local journalist. If a few had a little wager with some inside knowledge who could blame them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 Let's just be very careful what we say here gentlemen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dustynrg Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 What were the odds of Souness getting the job then ? Anyone on here have a bet on him? I wonder if anyone did have a bet on him getting the job? Just askin like. Are you implying that our Chairman made some money out of it? No not for a minute, I'd never suggest such a thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 What were the odds of Souness getting the job then ? Anyone on here have a bet on him? I wonder if anyone did have a bet on him getting the job? Just askin like. Are you implying that our Chairman made some money out of it? No not for a minute, I'd never suggest such a thing. Neither would I. Even though Fat Fred's son was sacked soon after the takeover, I have no reason to believe that nepotism was ever an issue here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Souness was said to be 6th choice. Whether that's strictly true, I don't know, but I'm sure he wasn't first choice. In which case, you have to ask why so many turned us down and we ended up having to approach someone whose reputation had diminshed. Two reasons, I reckon. Shepherd had acquired a reputation for interfering with the manager's football decisions, and the shabby way in which Sir Bob was treated didn't create a good impression with the likes of O'Neill. Secondly, Shearer was exerting too much power within the club, both as an undroppable player and the Chairman's choice as future manager. No manager who wasn't desperate for a job would walk into that situation. Have to agree with this! don't think Luque was Sounesse's choice nor Owen they were Shepherd's trophy signings. utter and complete bollocks. When we had a shit board, we appointed a manager who was a journeyman if ever there was one, Jim Smith, that was 8th [yes Eight choice]. One of the managers who was ahead of him and turned it down, was a Newcastle supporter by the name of Howard Kendall. Please tell us why he turned it down. Another Newcastle supporter by the name of Bobby Robson stayed at Ipswich for years and saw his home town team change managers on numerous occasions, and never once showed an interest to run his home town team, because he was happy at a small club at Ipswich being a better run club with better directors than his home town club, until the day he finally did arrive, years later when obviously the circumstances were more to his liking. The bit in bold is the most laughable remnant of the blinkered idiots who opposed the old board simply on the basis that he ate all the pies. You are obviously unaware that Souness had said his chairman asked to write on a piece of paper the name of the player he would most like to sign, and he wrote the name "Michael Owen". I find it quite unbelievable that someone who professes to be a Newcastle supporter isn't aware of this. The only other possible alternative is that you are making something up to discredit the old board. Predictable I suppose. I have noted in the past that you [bob yule] like to say "I think........" and it appears to me to be the opening to make something up, which is what you are doing again in this instance. Perhaps you could try saying something like " I think Chris Mort said the club would only buy players for the long term in the January transfer window because the stupid tosser is putting prudency before the clubs needs on the field" but I don't think you will because it would mean admitting the old board, having an alternative viewpoint which gained us more european qualifications than every other club bar 4, 2 FA Cup Finals and a sold out big stadium every home game had actually done something right. As for Luque, Souness clearly said that "his mate" had recommended Luque to him as a "proper player" to replace the "cancers" Bellamy and Robert. The mate more than likely being his ex Liverpool collegeague Michael Robinson. One day, people like you two will stop making up stuff and inventing such bollocks as you go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Touchy! It's almost like someone insulted a friend, or member of your family. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Touchy! It's almost like someone insulted a friend, or member of your family. Solid facts, and knowledge about the club Dave. Care to disagree or show me you know better ? Somehow I doubt that you will attempt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 I was merely laughing at your hilarious outburst; I know better than to waste my time arguing with someone who refuses to take the opinions of others on board in any way, shape or form. I await you making something up about what I think. Possibly that I'm loving this relegation scrap or something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE5 Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Let's just be very careful what we say here gentlemen. aye, I don't think there will be a shortage of people prepared to make something up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 Holy fuck, is there a way to completely block threads? So they don't show up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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