What are our player acquisition people actually doing?

[Guest Daishi]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

[greydos]

Didn't the early articles surrounding Wise's appointment say that he was working part time, like 2/3 full days a week so he could have more time with his family? Perhaps Wednesday is his day off, thus allowing him to be in Moscow to catch the game of the season.

 

This thread needs to wait for the start of next season when we can look back and ask "what were our scouts doing all summer and beforehand?"

[mrmojorisin75]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

[James]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Not asking for too much are you?

[mrmojorisin75]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Not asking for too much are you?

 

christ on a bike

 

"if we start the season with one new player" - does that do you?

[relámpago blanco]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Not asking for too much are you?

 

christ on a bike

 

"if we start the season with one new player" - does that do you?

Wouldn't surpirse me if we get to the start of the season and thats the case then they'll realise and go and buy some 33 year olds.  I'm really concerned about this summer more so than ever before.

[James]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Not asking for too much are you?

 

christ on a bike

 

"if we start the season with one new player" - does that do you?

 

Well pretty much saying that you already don't like the job done by people who have only had six months in the job, and will only change your mind if we have "a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad" is both unfair and unrealistic.

 

I hope that by September, the squad will be improved, but I do not expect it to be perfect.

[OzzieMandias]

Well, they're obviously crap if they're going to the CL final and don't sign any players while the transfer window is closed.

[Guest shaun11177]

We have our list of targets, the scouting has been done, no its up to Jimenez to see what he can do but selling clubs will wait to see if they can get an auction going for a player as will agents, it will take time, if you havent got the patience go to sleep for 2 months.

[Guest optimistic nit]

Brazilianbob strikes again

 

Really constructive stuff this.  What an inspiration to us all!  Bravo!

 

If you don't like a topic don't comment unless you have a worthwhile contribution to make. 

 

It's not difficult and is what I do, which is probably why I hardly ever post these days considering some of the purile drivel I read.

 

Most of you are incapable of having a debate without it developing into a slanging match.  I challenge you to find a topic on this board that hasn't degenerated into a personal attack at some stage or other.

 

This board and its forerunners used to have some really sensible posters who could debate subjects sensibly.  I mention Dr Gloom as one, but that was way back in the year 2000/2001.  He clearly got fed up with the insults and left, probably a wise choice.

 

to be fair i dont think i've ever seen you make a constructive post.

[OzzieMandias]

I wonder what Ashley's doing? I've never seen him doing any work so it's obvious he must be doing nothing. Bit worrying, eh?

[mrmojorisin75]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Not asking for too much are you?

 

christ on a bike

 

"if we start the season with one new player" - does that do you?

 

Well pretty much saying that you already don't like the job done by people who have only had six months in the job, and will only change your mind if we have "a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad" is both unfair and unrealistic.

 

I hope that by September, the squad will be improved, but I do not expect it to be perfect.

 

dude, reading words isn't enough in the real world - you're supposed to be able to understand them, put them into context, glean when someone is being facaetious/sarcastic/flippant

[Menace]

OH MY GOD.

 

HOW CAN THIS CLUB GO ON WITHOUT SAM VOKES.

[Willow]

OH MY GOD.

 

HOW CAN THIS CLUB GO ON WITHOUT SAM VOKES.

 

SELL THE CLUB.........QUICK!!

[James]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Not asking for too much are you?

 

christ on a bike

 

"if we start the season with one new player" - does that do you?

 

Well pretty much saying that you already don't like the job done by people who have only had six months in the job, and will only change your mind if we have "a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad" is both unfair and unrealistic.

 

I hope that by September, the squad will be improved, but I do not expect it to be perfect.

 

dude, reading words isn't enough in the real world - you're supposed to be able to understand them, put them into context, glean when someone is being facaetious/sarcastic/flippant

 

Perhaps if half your posts didn't also contain the same idealistic nonsense, I'd notice.

[mrmojorisin75]

personally i'm expecting another half-arsed transfer fiasco...just more annoying 'cause we're now paying 3 new people to f*** it up

 

Believe me, I'm as concerned as you about the transfers this summer.  The squad needs a fair bit of investment, and I'm not sure that lots of young promising kids is the correct way to flesh out the squad - we need some proven quality and experience in there too.  Promise, and/or credentials alone don't mean a player will be a success at St James

Hugo had promise.  Didn't do a huge amount over here for whatever reason. 

Cacapa had lots of the credentials in the french league.  Didnt  appear to be entirely suited to the premier league.

 

Are we really paying three more people, or is it just three different people? I wonder who was making the most - Wise or Doug Shepherd.

 

We've made a positive start by getting rid of some of the liabilities (I'm not sure Troisi's release was a good or bad thing), hopefully they can start to rebuild, buy some good players and play some good, winning football next season.

 

As for SWP and Eagles?  I doubt it very much.  We're constantly linked to Wright-Phillips, and Eagles?  Nah... Just a name off the top of my head - use Saha in my example if it makes you more happy.

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Not asking for too much are you?

 

christ on a bike

 

"if we start the season with one new player" - does that do you?

 

Well pretty much saying that you already don't like the job done by people who have only had six months in the job, and will only change your mind if we have "a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad" is both unfair and unrealistic.

 

I hope that by September, the squad will be improved, but I do not expect it to be perfect.

 

dude, reading words isn't enough in the real world - you're supposed to be able to understand them, put them into context, glean when someone is being facaetious/sarcastic/flippant

 

Perhaps if half your posts didn't also contain the same idealistic nonsense, I'd notice.

 

fair enough, i'll try and fill them with little smileys and cute signs to indicate what i mean in future see if you can understand then

 

and what's idealistic by the way?  having a contrary opinion about how we conduct our transfer business?  riddle me this batman, 'cause this is what it all boils down to in the end:

 

how is not trying to sign players before the transfer window opens going to save NUFC any money, get us better players or have the squad any more settled before the season starts?

 

if you can provide me a satisfactory answer to that "idealism" i'll pack up my bags and go home

 

[i'd just like to point out the pack up my bags and go home part isn't to be taken literally James; unfortunately i don't think anyone has made a little smiley or symbol for that]

 

[Guest sicko2ndbest]

2 weeks!

 

Keegan: We’ve got a platform to build on

May 30 2008 by Lee Ryder, Evening Chronicle

 

 

KEVIN KEEGAN insisted today that the foundations are already in place to build a team that can go places next season.

 

The Newcastle United boss, like the rest of his Premier League managerial counter-parts, is currently enjoying a well-earned end-of-season break, but will tackle his transfer targets head on when he returns in a couple of weeks.

 

Keegan is hoping to add up to five new faces to his current squad.

 

And he feels that, with the right additions, his current crop of players still have what it takes to achieve a respectable top-flight finish next term.

 

The likes of skipper Michael Owen, Nicky Butt, Habib Beye, Oba Martins, Steven Taylor and Steve Harper all ended the season on a high, while Shay Given and Emre are yet to return from injuries.

 

And with Damien Duff, James Milner and Alan Smith all still with points to prove at the start of next season, Keegan is optimistic about the new campaign once the slate has been wiped clean.

 

He said today: “We’ve already got some quality players and we hope to add to that.

 

“It’s hard to predict.

 

“I can say better when it is the start of the season when I have all the squad together.

 

“If you ask me then I can look round and say this is what we are going to go with.”

 

Keegan’s side ended the season with eight defeats from his 17 games in charge last term, but the manager had to contend with a side whose confidence had hit rock bottom.

 

Yet despite the first win taking two months to arrive after Keegan’s third coming, he said it was always going to take time to get his own ideas across.

 

He added: “I’ve enjoyed it.

 

“We’ve changed a few things at Newcastle.

 

“When you come into a club, everybody has different ideas, and that’s no criticism of what had gone on before.

 

“Our main aim was to try to make players here enjoy coming to the training ground.

 

“And by doing that make sure they do the right kind of work.

 

“If you can get that right it’s a pretty good formula.”

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

Its going to be a long two weeks but would ahve thought there are other people at the club trying to do the deals.

[midds]

I hope the club aren't going to pay his wages while he's on holiday. The lazy bastard. 

[relámpago blanco]

Its going to be a long two weeks but would ahve thought there are other people at the club trying to do the deals.

Keegan isn't even involved in the deals I don't think.  He'll have given someone a list (hard to predict who from the labyrinth that is 'the upstairs', maybe Wise) .  The they'll go and try to get them........  or Keegan will return to find the French u17 Squad instead.

[nobby_solano]

Its going to be a long two weeks but would ahve thought there are other people at the club trying to do the deals.

Keegan isn't even involved in the deals I don't think.  He'll have given someone a list (hard to predict who from the labyrinth that is 'the upstairs', maybe Wise) .  The they'll go and try to get them........  or Keegan will return to find the French u17 Squad instead.

 

that actually nearly made me spit coffee all over my monitor laughing 

[relámpago blanco]

Its going to be a long two weeks but would ahve thought there are other people at the club trying to do the deals.

Keegan isn't even involved in the deals I don't think.  He'll have given someone a list (hard to predict who from the labyrinth that is 'the upstairs', maybe Wise) .  The they'll go and try to get them........  or Keegan will return to find the French u17 Squad instead.

 

that actually nearly made me spit coffee all over my monitor laughing 

Always nice to entertain.

[chapdelaine]

i think the current club setup with all the scouting/deal makers in place is the right way to go.Bring a lot of talented youngsters in that the big clubs don,t think are ready.The only problem is we need a manager who will mould them and improve them.I don,t think KK is the man to do it maybe we should go continental and get a coach.

[Mick]

I hope the club aren't going to pay his wages while he's on holiday. The lazy b******. 

 

He's OK, he's done 5 months and accrued 2 days per month so he's taken the full 10 days now but will be working Christmas instead.

[Raconteur]

 

 

was trying to write in between work and got bogged down by semantics

 

to summarise; some people are happy/content (call it what you will) that a team of specialists brought in to basically do one job have produced no tangible results in almost 6 months

 

i'm not, that's all i'm saying

 

if we start the season with a wonderful deep, packed vibrant young squad then there's a standing apology from me

 

Forgive me for saying so, but isn't it a bit harsh to criticise Wise's signings? No one expected Tozer, Kadar, Zamblera and Soderberg to break into the first team immediately.

 

Let's not forget the situation Wise, Jimenez and Vetere started the job in - managerial chaos, scouting network in tatters, bosses who wasn't up to speed with the game. It's not as simple as saying "Gee, we need a centre midfielder, we should get Diego."

 

As I said in the Emre thread we need players who tick all the boxes: skill, fitness, desire, at a reasonable fee and wages and not hijacked by other clubs. That's a lot of boxes that need ticking...