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[Greg]

How come though, the very game that crowds through the door should have been at their lowest of the season (if the anti-ashley thinking is true) is Hull City and yet this has had the biggest turnout this year? Surely people were at their angriest and most empassioned about the situation at the Hull game and yet there were nearly 6000 more at that game than at the game against Villa. Economics has to be taken into consideration too. I think there is a mixture of people not at the games now, people who have decided not to come through the turnstiles because of Ashley and co, and those who simply cannot afford to anymore. It doesn't have to be one or the other, they are not mutually exclusive.

 

The Hull game wasn't on TV and they brought their full allocation.

[NE5]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be shit if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were shit, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

 

I think you missed the bit where he said "If the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too."

 

Our attendances are still the third highest in the league, incidentally.

 

 

so if Ashley doesn't bugger off and we don't give people more optimism, the crowds won't go up ?

 

This defending of the shambles the club is in thanks to Ashley and his grand plans and DOF bollocks, is almost as cringeworthy as the comments by mick in my sig.

 

 

I'm sure attendances would increase should optimism return.  In the same way that they did when Ashley brought Keegan in. Whatever the case it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that fewer matchday tickets are being sold for more than one reason, one of which being the economic downturn.  This doesn't exonerate the present mess, but in your twisted mind everything is about the same bloody argument.  Which is an argument you only seem to have so that you can continue to try to demonstrate how stupid Mick, Ozzie etc. are.

 

they demonstrate it themselves, I just draw attention to it.

 

See the bold bit mate, its as obvious as night becomes day. You are only talking about 6000 empty seats, some of those will be the away allocation [see toonlass commenting about Hull, well Hull have good supporters and sold out]. They sold out because they are doing well. Newcastle's are falling because people are pissed off, and if they hadn't already paid, those crowds would be below 40000 now.

 

Thats a measure of how badly this time under Ashley is. If nothing changes, there will be a huge drop in ticket sales next season, and that is nothing to do with the economy. You know as well as me that even though people prioritise their money, people will prioritise the club higher if they are doing well.

 

Those who were attracted back to the club by an ambitious board, will fall away now due to an unambitious one. Thats a fact, you wait and see.

 

 

[madras]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

 

I think you missed the bit where he said "If the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too."

 

Our attendances are still the third highest in the league, incidentally.

 

 

so if Ashley doesn't bugger off and we don't give people more optimism, the crowds won't go up ?

 

This defending of the shambles the club is in thanks to Ashley and his grand plans and DOF bollocks, is almost as cringeworthy as the comments by mick in my sig.

 

 

I'm sure attendances would increase should optimism return.  In the same way that they did when Ashley brought Keegan in. Whatever the case it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that fewer matchday tickets are being sold for more than one reason, one of which being the economic downturn.  This doesn't exonerate the present mess, but in your twisted mind everything is about the same bloody argument.  Which is an argument you only seem to have so that you can continue to try to demonstrate how stupid Mick, Ozzie etc. are.

 

they demonstrate it themselves, I just draw attention to it.

 

See the bold bit mate, its as obvious as night becomes day. You are only talking about 6000 empty seats, some of those will be the away allocation [see toonlass commenting about Hull, well Hull have good supporters and sold out]. They sold out because they are doing well. Newcastle's are falling because people are pissed off, and if they hadn't already paid, those crowds would be below 40000 now.

 

Thats a measure of how badly this time under Ashley is. If nothing changes, there will be a huge drop in ticket sales next season, and that is nothing to do with the economy. You know as well as me that even though people prioritise their money, people will prioritise the club higher if they are doing well.

 

Those who were attracted back to the club by an ambitious board, will fall away now due to an unambitious one. Thats a fact, you wait and see.

 

 

next time you're in the pub for a newcastle match ask how many would still be going if fred were still in charge ?

[NE5]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

 

I think you missed the bit where he said "If the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too."

 

Our attendances are still the third highest in the league, incidentally.

 

 

so if Ashley doesn't bugger off and we don't give people more optimism, the crowds won't go up ?

 

This defending of the shambles the club is in thanks to Ashley and his grand plans and DOF bollocks, is almost as cringeworthy as the comments by mick in my sig.

 

 

I'm sure attendances would increase should optimism return.  In the same way that they did when Ashley brought Keegan in. Whatever the case it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that fewer matchday tickets are being sold for more than one reason, one of which being the economic downturn.  This doesn't exonerate the present mess, but in your twisted mind everything is about the same bloody argument.  Which is an argument you only seem to have so that you can continue to try to demonstrate how stupid Mick, Ozzie etc. are.

 

they demonstrate it themselves, I just draw attention to it.

 

See the bold bit mate, its as obvious as night becomes day. You are only talking about 6000 empty seats, some of those will be the away allocation [see toonlass commenting about Hull, well Hull have good supporters and sold out]. They sold out because they are doing well. Newcastle's are falling because people are pissed off, and if they hadn't already paid, those crowds would be below 40000 now.

 

Thats a measure of how badly this time under Ashley is. If nothing changes, there will be a huge drop in ticket sales next season, and that is nothing to do with the economy. You know as well as me that even though people prioritise their money, people will prioritise the club higher if they are doing well.

 

Those who were attracted back to the club by an ambitious board, will fall away now due to an unambitious one. Thats a fact, you wait and see.

 

 

next time you're in the pub for a newcastle match ask how many would still be going if fred were still in charge ?

 

Well, quite a lot of people now wish Ashley was gone.

 

Most people I know supported the club before 1992 anyway, so it doesn't come into it.

 

We'll have to wait and see, but I'm quite confident that one thing and one thing only will lift those crowds back to the levels that the Halls and Shepherd set them at, and its got nothing to do with the current state of the economy.

 

 

[madras]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

 

I think you missed the bit where he said "If the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too."

 

Our attendances are still the third highest in the league, incidentally.

 

 

so if Ashley doesn't bugger off and we don't give people more optimism, the crowds won't go up ?

 

This defending of the shambles the club is in thanks to Ashley and his grand plans and DOF bollocks, is almost as cringeworthy as the comments by mick in my sig.

 

 

I'm sure attendances would increase should optimism return.  In the same way that they did when Ashley brought Keegan in. Whatever the case it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that fewer matchday tickets are being sold for more than one reason, one of which being the economic downturn.  This doesn't exonerate the present mess, but in your twisted mind everything is about the same bloody argument.  Which is an argument you only seem to have so that you can continue to try to demonstrate how stupid Mick, Ozzie etc. are.

 

they demonstrate it themselves, I just draw attention to it.

 

See the bold bit mate, its as obvious as night becomes day. You are only talking about 6000 empty seats, some of those will be the away allocation [see toonlass commenting about Hull, well Hull have good supporters and sold out]. They sold out because they are doing well. Newcastle's are falling because people are pissed off, and if they hadn't already paid, those crowds would be below 40000 now.

 

Thats a measure of how badly this time under Ashley is. If nothing changes, there will be a huge drop in ticket sales next season, and that is nothing to do with the economy. You know as well as me that even though people prioritise their money, people will prioritise the club higher if they are doing well.

 

Those who were attracted back to the club by an ambitious board, will fall away now due to an unambitious one. Thats a fact, you wait and see.

 

 

next time you're in the pub for a newcastle match ask how many would still be going if fred were still in charge ?

 

Well, quite a lot of people now wish Ashley was gone.

 

Most people I know supported the club before 1992 anyway, so it doesn't come into it.

 

We'll have to wait and see, but I'm quite confident that one thing and one thing only will lift those crowds back to the levels that the Halls and Shepherd set them at, and its got nothing to do with the current state of the economy.

 

 

it does come into it. i used to sit with over 1 dozen in the pub pre match,all season ticket holders. this went down to half a dozen under freds latter exploits. now out ohose left half werent going t to renew had fred stopped on.

[NE5]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

 

I think you missed the bit where he said "If the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too."

 

Our attendances are still the third highest in the league, incidentally.

 

 

so if Ashley doesn't bugger off and we don't give people more optimism, the crowds won't go up ?

 

This defending of the shambles the club is in thanks to Ashley and his grand plans and DOF bollocks, is almost as cringeworthy as the comments by mick in my sig.

 

 

I'm sure attendances would increase should optimism return.  In the same way that they did when Ashley brought Keegan in. Whatever the case it's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that fewer matchday tickets are being sold for more than one reason, one of which being the economic downturn.  This doesn't exonerate the present mess, but in your twisted mind everything is about the same bloody argument.  Which is an argument you only seem to have so that you can continue to try to demonstrate how stupid Mick, Ozzie etc. are.

 

they demonstrate it themselves, I just draw attention to it.

 

See the bold bit mate, its as obvious as night becomes day. You are only talking about 6000 empty seats, some of those will be the away allocation [see toonlass commenting about Hull, well Hull have good supporters and sold out]. They sold out because they are doing well. Newcastle's are falling because people are pissed off, and if they hadn't already paid, those crowds would be below 40000 now.

 

Thats a measure of how badly this time under Ashley is. If nothing changes, there will be a huge drop in ticket sales next season, and that is nothing to do with the economy. You know as well as me that even though people prioritise their money, people will prioritise the club higher if they are doing well.

 

Those who were attracted back to the club by an ambitious board, will fall away now due to an unambitious one. Thats a fact, you wait and see.

 

 

next time you're in the pub for a newcastle match ask how many would still be going if fred were still in charge ?

 

Well, quite a lot of people now wish Ashley was gone.

 

Most people I know supported the club before 1992 anyway, so it doesn't come into it.

 

We'll have to wait and see, but I'm quite confident that one thing and one thing only will lift those crowds back to the levels that the Halls and Shepherd set them at, and its got nothing to do with the current state of the economy.

 

 

it does come into it. i used to sit with over 1 dozen in the pub pre match,all season ticket holders. this went down to half a dozen under freds latter exploits. now out ohose left half werent going t to renew had fred stopped on.

 

what a shame they also thought that anybody else but Fred would do better then.

 

Hope they enjoyed their Champs League qualifications more than Ashleys relegation struggles.

 

Are they also "supporters" who only appeared in 1992 ?

 

 

[NE5]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be shit if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were shit, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis.

 

 

 

no response by baggy then. Again.  mackems.gif

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http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php?topic=57178.0

[NE5]

http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php?topic=57178.0

 

you are baggy then ?

 

 

[Guest elbee909]

Fair play to NE5, looks like he could be quite correct when stats are compared across clubs, but strange that Sunderland/Blackburn etc. are also down:

 

Newcastle are experiencing a dramatic slump in attendances this season but the Premier League insist the credit crunch is not affecting the top flight as a whole.

 

Stadiums are still 92 per cent full this season, the same as the last campaign, but some clubs are suffering while others are enjoying bigger crowds.

 

Newcastle have been the hardest hit, due in part to fans being disenchanted with owner Mike Ashley, who is currently trying to sell the club.

 

The Magpies have averaged 46,689 this season compared to 51,321 in the last campaign, a drop of 4,632 or nine per cent. Sunderland are also down - from 43,344 to 41,186 - as are Blackburn's crowds.

 

However Bolton, Manchester City and Middlesbrough have all enjoyed a boom in attendances compared to last season.

 

The Premier League expect overall attendances to drop compared to last season's record-breaking figures but say that is due to clubs with large stadiums being relegated and those with smaller capacities coming up.

 

Promoted clubs Stoke, Hull and West Brom have all been operating close to capacity however, boosting occupancy levels to the same as last season.

 

Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson said: "Some figures are up and some are down. If you factor in the Manchester United v Fulham match which was postponed we will find we are roughly where we were last season.

 

"Our figures suggest we are still at 92% occupancy in our stadia, better than anywhere else in Europe and last season we had the highest attendances for over 50 years."

[Disco]

How come though, the very game that crowds through the door should have been at their lowest of the season (if the anti-ashley thinking is true) is Hull City and yet this has had the biggest turnout this year? Surely people were at their angriest and most empassioned about the situation at the Hull game and yet there were nearly 6000 more at that game than at the game against Villa. Economics has to be taken into consideration too. I think there is a mixture of people not at the games now, people who have decided not to come through the turnstiles because of Ashley and co, and those who simply cannot afford to anymore. It doesn't have to be one or the other, they are not mutually exclusive.

 

The Hull game wasn't on TV and they brought their full allocation.

 

Hull will fill out everywhere just most Premiership first-timers do then there numbers will slowly drop as the enthusiasm wears off

[madras]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis.

 

 

 

no response by baggy then. Again.   mackems.gif

do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ?

[NE5]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis.

 

 

 

no response by baggy then. Again.   mackems.gif

do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ?

 

 

well madras, it would appear you are the only one still unable to accept the basic facts, which are that if we start winning, those crowds will shoot up again.

 

I think if the team was winning, they would be higher, yes. Obviously. Don't you ?

 

 

[madras]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis.

 

 

 

no response by baggy then. Again.   mackems.gif

do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ?

 

 

well madras, it would appear you are the only one still unable to accept the basic facts, which are that if we start winning, those crowds will shoot up again.

 

I think if the team was winning, they would be higher, yes. Obviously. Don't you ?

 

 

no. yet again you gloss over when i give a straight answer. i said i agree when you posted  that we  would sell out regardless of the economic state if we were doing well (top 4 i believe you said), first post on page 3.

 

i wholeheartedly agree on that,but we werent winning much when fred left were we  and under allardyce my belief is we'd have won even less than under the previous two.

 

edit...my mistake ,the actual phrase was "among the top clubs or looking like we were getting there"....we werent were we ?

[NE5]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis.

 

 

 

no response by baggy then. Again.   mackems.gif

do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ?

 

 

well madras, it would appear you are the only one still unable to accept the basic facts, which are that if we start winning, those crowds will shoot up again.

 

I think if the team was winning, they would be higher, yes. Obviously. Don't you ?

 

 

no. yet again you gloss over when i give a straight answer. i said i agree when you posted  that we  would sell out regardless of the economic state if we were doing well (top 4 i believe you said), first post on page 3.

 

i wholeheartedly agree on that,but we werent winning much when fred left were we  and under allardyce my belief is we'd have won even less than under the previous two.

 

have you been to the last few games ?

 

People are so pissed off they aren't even coming to games they have paid for !!!!!

 

 

[madras]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis.

 

 

 

no response by baggy then. Again.   mackems.gif

do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ?

 

 

well madras, it would appear you are the only one still unable to accept the basic facts, which are that if we start winning, those crowds will shoot up again.

 

I think if the team was winning, they would be higher, yes. Obviously. Don't you ?

 

 

no. yet again you gloss over when i give a straight answer. i said i agree when you posted  that we  would sell out regardless of the economic state if we were doing well (top 4 i believe you said), first post on page 3.

 

i wholeheartedly agree on that,but we werent winning much when fred left were we  and under allardyce my belief is we'd have won even less than under the previous two.

 

have you been to the last few games ?

 

People are so pissed off they aren't even coming to games they have paid for !!!!!

 

 

and i know people who only kept going cos fred left.

[Thespence]

How come though, the very game that crowds through the door should have been at their lowest of the season (if the anti-ashley thinking is true) is Hull City and yet this has had the biggest turnout this year?

 

Loads of people got in dirt cheap for buying some kit & about 5000 kids outside decided they needed a break from interviews & standing in the background of camera shots so they nipped into the match.

 

& + what Greg said

[Mowen]

Fair play to NE5, looks like he could be quite correct when stats are compared across clubs, but strange that Sunderland/Blackburn etc. are also down:

 

Newcastle are experiencing a dramatic slump in attendances this season but the Premier League insist the credit crunch is not affecting the top flight as a whole.

 

Stadiums are still 92 per cent full this season, the same as the last campaign, but some clubs are suffering while others are enjoying bigger crowds.

 

Newcastle have been the hardest hit, due in part to fans being disenchanted with owner Mike Ashley, who is currently trying to sell the club.

 

The Magpies have averaged 46,689 this season compared to 51,321 in the last campaign, a drop of 4,632 or nine per cent. Sunderland are also down - from 43,344 to 41,186 - as are Blackburn's crowds.

 

However Bolton, Manchester City and Middlesbrough have all enjoyed a boom in attendances compared to last season.

 

The Premier League expect overall attendances to drop compared to last season's record-breaking figures but say that is due to clubs with large stadiums being relegated and those with smaller capacities coming up.

 

Promoted clubs Stoke, Hull and West Brom have all been operating close to capacity however, boosting occupancy levels to the same as last season.

 

Premier League spokesman Dan Johnson said: "Some figures are up and some are down. If you factor in the Manchester United v Fulham match which was postponed we will find we are roughly where we were last season.

 

"Our figures suggest we are still at 92% occupancy in our stadia, better than anywhere else in Europe and last season we had the highest attendances for over 50 years."

 

Is that fucking praise-worthy? City are still at best 90% full, despite having broken the british transfer record and the other two get fucking woeful crowds. I don't give a shit if they're up. Fill your ground, then get back to me.

[Guest nufc_kev]

Middlesbrough's attendences have gone up because their season tickets are 180 quid for under 25's and they give away fans 5000 tickets.

[Guest elbee909]

NE5 has a point in so far as some people had sussed Ashley before the season started, unimpressed with his lack of ambition, and were more reluctant to go no matter what happened after or what the economic situation is. the prime example of this is how few of the corporate boxes were sold after those punters saw through ashley's superficial BS pretty quickly.

 

but i think the main reasons are those put forward by brummie and mowen, which is something effecting ALL clubs, not just ours. man city had 7000 empties the first home game after Arabs took over and signed Robinho. Villa had 6000 empty seats in their last home game, and that is for a team flying high in a stadium much smaller than ours.

 

The corporate boxes didn't sell because the club pushed the prices up to subsidise the cheaper tickets in the larger family section, something that a lot of them seen as taking the piss which is why a meeting was held between all corporate box owners and the club.

 

A lot of people are feeling the pinch at the moment and the first thing to go for some people will be the luxury of going to a football match that costs £30.

 

it was becoming more obvious to the more slow minded, that his DOF bollocks was about to fail dismally. Quite a few still haven't cottoned on, but a lot of people have now paid for their season tickets. If the DOF bollocks continues under Ashley, expect a massive dive next season, perhaps even encompassing lower league football, which in itself will be a result of falling gates and not so much a symptom of anything else.

 

If the current financial climate eases, the gates will still be s*** if the club is relegated due to Ashley and his "plan", management structure and DOF bollocks. In fact, didn't you say the club needed a "plan" intimitating that such a plan leads to success or greater success than when they didn't have a "plan".

 

 

 

 

 

 

I expect a massive dive whoever is in charge because the country will be in a recession by then.

 

I said the club needs someone to build up the academy and to put in a better scouting network as both were s***, I'm not sure what that has to do with this thread though.

 

 

 

rubbish.

 

The thread is about falling gates by the way, and this is my opinion as to why gates are falling.

 

And whats more, I'm right too. Just like I was when I told you the DOF bollocks would lead to absolutely nowhere, and, errr, falling gates as a result.

 

 

 

So are you saying falling gates that are going on all around the country have nothing to do with the state of the economy?

 

Learn to read.

 

This thread is about Newcastle's gates.

 

 

 

So do you think the state of the economy has anything to do with Newcastle's falling gates?

 

do you think your management structure, poor results and turmoil at the club, has had nothing to do with it   mackems.gif ?

 

 

 

You not going to answer the question then?

 

I've told you why they are down. They will go down further if he persists in running the club with this management structure you have harped on about which results in turmoil at the club.

 

Start winning, and they will go up again.

 

You must be a bigger fool than I thought if you don't see this.

 

 

 

Right, so attendances are down all over the country because of the state of the economy but it has nothing to do with them being down here.

 

Glad we cleared that one up.

 

no, I'm saying that if the clubs situation improves they will go up again, and you must be a complete fool if you don't see this.

 

 

 

I agree that they would go up but that doesn't mean that they haven't gone down because of the state of the economy, if people are looking to make cuts and are not getting any enjoyment from watching the club at the moment then it's obvious that that's where they will look to save money, at the same time if the economy was in the same state it is now back when the likes of Souness and Roeder were in charge then I would have expected the same drop in attendances back then too.

 

 

 

but they didn't.

 

Stop defending the shambolic mess the club is in courtesy of Ashley and his "plan". It hasn;t worked, it isn't going to work, and thats why the crowds are down. They would be down even further if more people paid on a match to match basis.

 

 

 

no response by baggy then. Again.   mackems.gif

do you think if fred/allardyce had still been here crowds would have stayed up ?

 

 

well madras, it would appear you are the only one still unable to accept the basic facts, which are that if we start winning, those crowds will shoot up again.

 

I think if the team was winning, they would be higher, yes. Obviously. Don't you ?

 

 

no. yet again you gloss over when i give a straight answer. i said i agree when you posted  that we  would sell out regardless of the economic state if we were doing well (top 4 i believe you said), first post on page 3.

 

i wholeheartedly agree on that,but we werent winning much when fred left were we  and under allardyce my belief is we'd have won even less than under the previous two.

 

have you been to the last few games ?

 

People are so pissed off they aren't even coming to games they have paid for !!!!!

 

 

 

Do these people sit near you by any chance?

[Liam Liam Liam O]

35,222 down the road today.

[Guest WashyGeordie]

46k would of been the highest attendance in England this weekend...

[Thespence]

46k would of been the highest attendance in England this weekend...

 

And would of been a great turnout esp with us playing away.

 

[Guest WashyGeordie]

46k would of been the highest attendance in England this weekend...

 

And would of been a great turnout esp with us playing away.

 

 

Hence the 'would of'...

 

The point i was trying to get across, was that with all the "doom/gloom/circus/relegation/boycotting" etc etc, we still would of had the highest attendance in England of this weekend, which is totally opposite of what papers this season have been printing about the fans etc.

[Dave]

*have