Kaizero Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/08/hitler460.jpg Avram Grant http://www.footyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chelsea-fired-avram-grant.jpg Adolf Hitler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I find it laughable but not surprising that people dont want the manager that took Chelsea to within a kick of winning the Champions League and within a couple of points of winning the league. Especially when the 'far superior' Phil Scolari cant get anywhere near either of the feats. aren't they still in the CL? big phil was sacked before he got anywhere near it to be fair... Aye, but he's been sacked before he could get anywhere near where Grant got. Both points still stand. both points? first one stands i guess, second is only because he was sacked surely? not really a fair assessment imo Course it is, Grant wasnt sacked mid way through the season. Scolari was. huh? so the 'far superior' you put in front of scolari was meant to say what exactly? seemed to me it was sarcy and was implying that grant was at least the equal of scolari, which i can see no basis for other than a decent season with chelski where they ended up with nothing Theres more basis for Grant being a success than Scolari. Grant didnt win anything, but he took them a few points within the title and one penalty within winning the champions league. So? So why are people saying they wouldnt take someone who got to within a whisker of winning 2 trophies? Beggars cant be choosers, and he certainly has more reason to be picked ahead of Steve Bruce or any of the other managers that people are hyping up. Not really. It's like when Vialli won a domestic trophy and a european trophy with Gullit's team. And Grant over Bruce? Come off it man! Grant is a no-mark manager. When you have arguably the biggest and best squad in world football, you're bound to come close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I feel ill whenever I look at Avram Grant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/08/hitler460.jpg Avram Grant http://www.footyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chelsea-fired-avram-grant.jpg Adolf Hitler Putting a Jewish man from Israel and a Nazi German and doing the whole picture thing is just so wrong on so many levels! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Strange comparison. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridman Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/08/hitler460.jpg Avram Grant http://www.footyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chelsea-fired-avram-grant.jpg Adolf Hitler Putting a Jewish man from Israel and a Nazi German and doing the whole picture thing is just so wrong on so many levels! His mom died during the Holocaust didn't she? Afterwards his father moved from Poland to Israel, if I remember it correctly... Oh wait, Grant wasn't born then. His father barely survived though Meir explained he had been dreaming he was back in the forest in which he had been forced to dig graves for his parents and five brothers and sisters as each, in turn, died. Only Meir and one brother survived. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article700143.ece Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 i dont want avram here...rather martinez or bruce....any really! Dont rate grant....what he did at chelsea everyone could have done!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/08/hitler460.jpg Avram Grant http://www.footyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chelsea-fired-avram-grant.jpg Adolf Hitler Putting a Jewish man from Israel and a Nazi German and doing the whole picture thing is just so wrong on so many levels! That's why it was funny Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 i dont want avram here...rather martinez or bruce....any really! Dont rate grant....what he did at chelsea everyone could have done!! Yet Scolari (world cup winner) struggled. Different time. i believe grants chelsea side were better than scolaris! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 i dont want avram here...rather martinez or bruce....any really! Dont rate grant....what he did at chelsea everyone could have done!! Yet Scolari (world cup winner) struggled. Different time. i believe grants chelsea side were better than scolaris! Getting a club to a CL final (and one they only lost on penalties), even with their squad, isn't that easy. Especially when they didn't get off to a great start in the group games when Mourinho was there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Edd Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/08/hitler460.jpg Avram Grant http://www.footyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chelsea-fired-avram-grant.jpg Adolf Hitler Putting a Jewish man from Israel and a Nazi German and doing the whole picture thing is just so wrong on so many levels! That's why it was funny Or incredibly offensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 i dont want avram here...rather martinez or bruce....any really! Dont rate grant....what he did at chelsea everyone could have done!! Yet Scolari (world cup winner) struggled. Different time. i believe grants chelsea side were better than scolaris! Same players though, yeah, so maybe down to the manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Drogbas form this season and scolari missing out on robinho have cost them 5-10 points this season.....thats why he got sacked...which is stupid in the first place! grant had a perfect squad when he took over after mourinho.....of course grant did a good joob....i just dont think he is anything special....personally i dont want him here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 History would judge Grant more favourably if John Terry had concentrated a bit better when taking a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/Pictures/2007/08/08/hitler460.jpg Avram Grant http://www.footyfootball.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/chelsea-fired-avram-grant.jpg Adolf Hitler Putting a Jewish man from Israel and a Nazi German and doing the whole picture thing is just so wrong on so many levels! That's why it was funny Or incredibly offensive. You can't have one without the other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 grant had a perfect squad when he took over after mourinho Arguably their best squad was a season or two previous when the likes of Robben were on fire. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Drogbas form this season and scolari missing out on robinho have cost them 5-10 points this season.....thats why he got sacked...which is stupid in the first place! grant had a perfect squad when he took over after mourinho.....of course grant did a good joob....i just dont think he is anything special....personally i dont want him here! Grant had a better team because Man City signed Robinho? Come again? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 i dont want avram here...rather martinez or bruce....any really! Dont rate grant....what he did at chelsea everyone could have done!! Yet Scolari (world cup winner) struggled. Different time. i believe grants chelsea side were better than scolaris! Barely, one season later isnt a 'different time' it wasnt even a different team either. If anything the signings he's made are better. Bosingwa has solved the only real problem area theyve ever had. Who was in Grants team that wasnt in Scolaris? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowen Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 i dont want avram here...rather martinez or bruce....any really! Dont rate grant....what he did at chelsea everyone could have done!! Yet Scolari (world cup winner) struggled. Different time. i believe grants chelsea side were better than scolaris! Barely, one season later isnt a 'different time' it wasnt even a different team either. If anything the signings he's made are better. Bosingwa has solved the only real problem area theyve ever had. Who was in Grants team that wasnt in Scolaris? Essien, who is their best midfielder, in fairness to Scolari. Still didn't do as well as Grant, mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syrette Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I guess Scolari had long planned for Robinho to be the focal point of the team, hence them not really having anyone as a plan B. The deal was obviously extremely close to fruition, hence Chelsea's very regrettable mistake in putting shirts with his name and number on for sale on their merchsite despite no deal being concluded. If Man City hadn't come into their wealth so late in the day, despite Real Madrid's protestations, you'd probably imagine that Robinho would be a Chelsea player by now. Malouda and the like have been pretty disappointing and despite the amount of talent in their squad they still perhaps lack someone who can create something out of nothing in the way Robinho can. They play reasonably direct football at the moment, and I don't think that suited Scolari's preferred style. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 ok ok....maybe im wrong! All im saying is that i dont believe A. grant is the right person for us....and personally i would prefer someone else! Of course what he did for chelsea was almost perfect.....but if scolari & chelsea had the drogba with the form from last season and robinho i serious believe they would picked up 5-10 points more this season and scolari would still be there. ....i know its scolaris fault he want all in for robinho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I guess Scolari had long planned for Robinho to be the focal point of the team, hence them not really having anyone as a plan B. The deal was obviously extremely close to fruition, hence Chelsea's very regrettable mistake in putting shirts with his name and number on for sale on their merchsite despite no deal being concluded. If Man City hadn't come into their wealth so late in the day, despite Real Madrid's protestations, you'd probably imagine that Robinho would be a Chelsea player by now. Malouda and the like have been pretty disappointing and despite the amount of talent in their squad they still perhaps lack someone who can create something out of nothing in the way Robinho can. They play reasonably direct football at the moment, and I don't think that suited Scolari's preferred style. that was my point about robinho! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Avram had Essien, Makelele, Joe Cole, Carvalho and a focused Drogba. Scolari has not had any of these players either consistently or at all. Avram would not be a good move. He has done nothing outside of stepping in as an interim for Chelsea for a few months. No thanks. Seems like the sort players would walk all over too. Sort of like they did to Roeder. Nah, not for me neither. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Avram had Essien, Makelele, Joe Cole, Carvalho and a focused Drogba. Scolari has not had any of these players either consistently or at all. Avram would not be a good move. He has done nothing outside of stepping in as an interim for Chelsea for a few months. No thanks. Seems like the sort players would walk all over too. Sort of like they did to Roeder. Nah, not for me neither. 1. Makelele was'nt any good at this time 2. Why was Drogba focused, and why isn't he now? 3. Incorrect. It was almost an entire season. On top of this Scolari made his signings in the summer and aside from Bosingwa failed. Grant bought one player, Anelka who has been a very good purchase. I'm not saying Grant is an excellent manager, Im saying that saying he's not good enough for us is preposterous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Avram had Essien, Makelele, Joe Cole, Carvalho and a focused Drogba. Scolari has not had any of these players either consistently or at all. Avram would not be a good move. He has done nothing outside of stepping in as an interim for Chelsea for a few months. No thanks. Seems like the sort players would walk all over too. Sort of like they did to Roeder. Nah, not for me neither. thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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